Very Low LSAT scores?

This post was originally written in 2007 and I’m updating it instead of deleting it (June 18, 2019) for posterity’s sake and to make a point – things change. I have not seen students with scores in the low 140s be successful with admission to ABA approved law schools in quite a few years. When someone approaches me who has a very low LSAT score I always encourage them to spend their dollars on LSAT preparation/tutoring before admission consulting and to contact me again once they have achieved a higher score. Schools are not taking chances on people with very low LSAT scores because, statistically, these students do not perform well in law school. Law schools are being closed for taking students who have little chance of success – see Thomas Jefferson Law School.

See also: When is an LSAT Score Too Low?

Here is the original post:

While I don’t want to give false hope to those of you struggling with LSAT scores in the 130s and low 140s, I do want to give you a little encouragement. I’ve found that, if you have LSAT scores in the mid-140′s (or sometimes the low 140’s) or above, I have had success helping applicants fulfill their law school admission goals.

For example, one of my clients (141 = high score) has already been admitted to 2 ABA law schools and is on the wait list at a top 25 school. (She applied 2 years before with the same score and didn’t get in anywhere). I’m not kidding or lying, and she has not saved the universe or overcome paralysis. It is absolutely possible. Please read these posts from applicants with low LSAT scores who reached their law school goals. (CAUTION – this information is OLD. Really OLD. I haven’t seen this happen in a very long time now).

Another client with a 142 and an arrest record to explain was admitted to her first choice law school. Yet another, a nontraditional applicant with a 143, got into 5 ABA law schools at last count. And, if you need encouragement to retake the LSAT here are some examples to fuel the fire: W.H., a client, rose his score from a 142 to a 151. K.P. brought hers up from a 144 to a 150. (THIS is the part I want you to focus on – bringing your LSAT score up to the mid-range. Try to get above that bottom 30 percent to start to see success getting into law school. Here is the updated version of how many times you can take the LSAT as of July 2019).

What did these applicants do that made a difference? They made sure to give the law schools a lot of reasons why they are more than just their numbers. Their applications played to their strengths. None of these people are superheros. You could be one of them.

679 thoughts on “Very Low LSAT scores?

  1. Anonymous on said:

    I have a lsat score of 141 and a good GPA. I want to know what schools can I get into with this Lsat score? What do I have to do to ensure that I get into a school? Not sure what to do! Please Help!

  2. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    You are someone who would really benefit from working with a law school admission consultant. I have several clients in your situation. I walk them through the entire process of building their applications (essays, resume, LORs, addenda) to make them as strong as possible. It’s also a question of working with someone who knows what schools will take a chance on someone with your LSAT score based on previous experience. This requires some flexibility on your part, but it absolutely can happen.
    Please visit my web site for more information:
    I look forward to hearing from you.

  3. Anonymous on said:

    I have a GPA of 3.8 from NYU, about 7-8 years of professional and research experience, and am gearing up to take the LSAT on September 29. Unfortunately, I keep scoring in the mid-150’s on my practice tests, and am nervous that I won’t get into any schools of my choice. This may or may not be relevant, but I come from a very nontraditional background, am a person of color, and am queer. I also overcame quite a bit of socioeconomic difficulty in my life, and am not sure if I need to mention these factors in my application. Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

  4. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    Thanks for leaving a comment. You are the kind of applicant that I work with every day – someone who has a lot to offer but needs to package his/her application in a way that helps make up for the LSAT score. Please visit my web site, for more information about how I can help. I look forward to hearing from you.
    P.S. Please do keep in mind that you still have 8 weeks until the LSAT which is LOTS of time to see great improvement. So don’t be discouraged yet.

  5. Justin on said:

    Hi, I have a LSAT score of 140 my highest. I am 22, Caucasian and not a good standardized test taker. I was Deferred at two schools and wait listed at 2 this year but it all fell through. I applied to about 50 this year. I have a 3.5 GPA cum laude with a double major in 3 years and am disabled. I have a pretty large resume of awards, job experience, social clubs and extracurriculars, including law internships, a county and federal judge internship and many other things. I dont think my personal statement was that good, so I rewrote it and made a new one for this year and also included a disability addendum. I am still waiting on one waitlist that I will find out by the end of this week, but if that falls through I am going to get a one year MBA at a local private school and apply early this year in September for Spring and Fall Terms 08. I cant take the LSAT again because I have taken it 3 times but I think I can take it again in December but I am going to apply early and if im allowed to take it again I will under accommodated status which I wasnt accommodated last time. I have already read 4k+ in law school books from hornbooks to casebooks to primers to the UCC and restatements, ect… Is there any hope for me? If I dont get in next year im going to go to a non-accredited school and transfer to a ABA school after a year but really dont want have to go through that. I studied for the LSAT and took two courses, I am not going to give up and am going to keep trying, any advice would be well appreciated. I would love to get in anywhere part time or full time. If you would like to see my information or can help me on any way, please do so. Thanks!

  6. Anonymous on said:

    I have applied to law school two years in a row and been denied. I taken the LSAT twice my first score was a 136 and second score was a 143. I was accepted into the Nova ammple program but I missed the requirement of a 2.5 gpa i got a c plus and c minus on both test. Out of 300 students only 17 made it, the courses were third year. What should I do ? take my lsat again in december? My undergraduate gpa is also not great is a 2.6. My work expirience is not bad I teached high school for a year and currently work for a law firm as an analyst consultant advisor. I am extremely frusterated and I hope this year I get better results what can I do ?

  7. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    Thanks for writing. There are a lot of things you can do. First, you can hire a law school admission consultant to help with everything from explaining your LSAT, GPA and performance at Nova, to building up the rest of your application to make you seem so fantastic that law schools want to accept you despite the hiccups in your background, to helping you pick the right schools to apply to. Your situation is complicated and not something that can be answered appropriately on a blog post. However, taking a prep course and getting private tutoring for the LSAT (December test) would be a great first step. You are welcome to check out my web site at for more information about how I can help.

  8. Anonymous on said:


    I have been trying to get accepted to Law School for the last 3 years and still no luck. I have taken the LSAT more than once and my highest LSAT score so far is a 143 and my undergrad GPA is not the greatest (2.2). However, I decided to move on to pursuit a Master’s degree (MBA) in the hopes of raising my chances of admission. I’m almost done with my degree now and I want to know what are my chances of getting admitted to a good, decent school despite of my unchangeable undergrad GPA.

    Thank You

  9. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    Thanks for writing. If you visit my web site at you will see that I help a lot of law school applicants in your situation – low numbers but other valuable skills and experiences to offer. I am happy to provide consulting services to fit your individual needs. Please feel free to contact me and we can get started. Thanks for writing.

  10. I just got my score from the sept. LSAT and got a 141. I am finishing up my applications and was wondering if it is even worth going through the process? I have a 3.0 GPA, great resume, Letters of Rec. and personal statement. If I took the test again in December would it be too late for most schools if I wanted to get in Fall 08? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

  11. Anonymous on said:

    how can i have faith when my lsat score is realy low (141), and gpa is low (2.62), maybe i am not meant for law school?

    what sort of schools may be interested, do i stand a shot?


  13. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    I know there is a lot of anxiety out there about low LSAT scores. This is for David, Anonymous, and Lyn:
    Each applicant has something different to offer, different restrictions on where they hope/need to attend law school, and different circumstances. It’s very hard to give personal advice on a blog format. These are the types of issues I help people with as a law school admission consultant. Should you re-take the LSAT? How to convince the schools that other factors are more representative of your abilities? Can you get into law school now or should you take time off….
    These are good questions, but the answers are very individual. I encourage you to see my web site for information about how I help people through this process and for testimonials from others in similar situations who are now attending law school. I’m working all weekend because scores are out and encourage you to call me and allow me to help you through this trying time with advice specifically tailored to you.
    Remember, your LSAT score is not telling you you’re stupid. It’s not telling you that you can’t be a lawyer. It’s not something tatooed on your forehead that will label you forever. It’s just a weakness to overcome, one way or another.

  14. Anonymous on said:

    Just received my scores, 142 it’s horrible! My GPA a 3.09 isnt the greatest either. However, I got a Dean LOR and another strong LOR and Hispanic. Is American Uni even a possibility?

  15. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    Hi Anonymous- I don’t know enough about you to conclusively say “no way” and American doesn’t release statistics about who they admit in each score bracket, but I would say just based on what you told me that you have a huge uphill battle and it’s probably not the right school for you to apply to without a significantly improved LSAT score.

  16. I have a high GPA (3.99/Phi Beta Kappa, graduated early, overcame poor vision, and yet am stuck with a weak LSAT score of 153. I am planning to take it again in Dec since I was scoring between 160-161 on all practice tests. I am worried though that I am not a good test taker (actual test) because I have history of low scores (SAT/ACT). I had higher hopes, but now I would be THRILLED to make it into Tulane. You seem great, but I am not sure if I can afford the services. Do you think I would have a chance getting in there? Or let me know if you could truly help me enough for me to take out yet another loan?! 🙂 Thanks Ann!

  17. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    I know that the decision to attend law school is an investment in your future. I also know that in 99% of the cases, it’s an investment that pays off big time in your life and career. You are not out of the running at Tulane and I do support your decision to take the LSAT again based on your practice scores. I can help you give yourself every possible advantage in this process, and would be happy to do so. Just give me a call anytime – my toll free number is 877-LAW-SKOL.

  18. future law student on said:

    is it rare to get admission into law school (ranking of tier 1 or maybe top 25) with low lsat scores, or does this occaisonally happen?

  19. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    You haven’t given me enough information to give you solid advice on this one; I don’t know how low an LSAT you mean and I don’t know anything else about you. But let’s pick a good law school at random – I opened up the book to Boston University School of Law. If your LSAT is anywhere in the 140s, they took 2 applicants of a pool of about 600….I don’t love those chances unless something about your life story is going to blow me out of the water…..
    I hope this is helpful.

  20. Anonymous on said:

    In terms of an addendum, I saw that you said it is best to include a score report for past standardized test scores if you are claiming weak test scores but great academic performance. Is it fine to scan the score report and attach it via LSAC applications or should it be mailed separately? Thanks and love your blogs!

  21. ihopeigetin on said:

    1) i have a 141 lsat and carrying a 2.62 gpa, but am in a rigorous major, with 2 minors, i have my eyes set on franklin pierce b/c im interested in IP, throughout my applications im stressing that im more than just grades, having strong LOR’s, strong experiences and personal statement(aka the whole package), do i stand a shot in this tier 3 school with my low lsat scores?

    2) even though i alredy applied to FP regular decisoin, can i change it to early decision or will this frowned upon by their admissions office?

    your comments are greatly appreciated! i love the blog thanks!

  22. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    It is so hard for me to give this kind of specific applicant advice over the blog format because there is so much that I don’t know about you that is important to this process. About changing to early decision, you can call FP and ask, but I don’t think that’ll make a difference for you in the actual admission outcome. I would only use ED to grab applicants I really wanted, not to take applicants that probably weren’t competitive on the numbers in the regular applicant pool..

  23. Anonymous on said:

    Why won’t they just send the rejection letter? I graduated with a 4.0 but scored a 141 on the LSAT. Honestly, I expected the grade. All of my practice tests were around the same. I am a non-trad student; female, late 30’s, 10 years in the military. What I don’t get is why they don’t just send me the rejection letter? I finished me application the beginning of December and am still waiting to hear something. Do you have any idea why they just aren’t letting me move on?

  24. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    I’m not sure if your question is rhetorical, or if you’re just venting, but in case you really wanted an answer – here you go:

    1. They probably haven’t reviewed your file yet;
    2. Perhaps your application is so outstanding that they are seriously considering it; or
    3. Perhaps your batch of letters only goes out a few times a year….

  25. Anonymous on said:

    Sorry if it sounded like I’m venting.. I sort of am! But only because I check LSN and people attending my choice have already received rejection letters and I guess I get my hopes up a little every day that letter doesn’t come. The waiting is the hardest part and with a 141 I just find it hard to believe they’re even considering me! I wonder, do they wait until the Feb LSAT is over to make their hard decisions? (Feb is the last date the school will accept for LSAT)

  26. Anonymous on said:

    I had an original LSAT score of 140, then prepared for a few months, and received a 154. I have a GPA of around a 3.15. I neglected to include an explanation of why I think I did so poorly on the first one, will this have a negative affect on my application process?

  27. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    The rule is usually that with a score increase of 5 or more points, you should submit a BRIEF explanation for the increase. If your applications are still pending, you can e-mail this to the schools.

  28. Anonymous on said:

    I was wondering what Index numbers really mean? Looking at, each registered applicant has one. How do schools use them?

  29. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    Each school creates a statistical equation to determine an applicant’s likelihood of success in law school and on the bar exam. This is based on the performance of each school’s own graduates. The schools use this index of your GPA and LSAT to assign you a number, which they then use to judge your likelihood of success. The index is different for each school, and most schools won’t tell you exactly where it places you in the presumptive deny/presumptive admit/committee file hierarchy.

  30. Anonymous on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I have taken the LSAT 3 times with 142 as my highest score. My GPA is 3.2 and I am an African American female. I was rejected by my alma mater and 3rd tier schools!! How could this have happened? I received an invite to participate in an AAMPLE program in a state far away from my hometown, but I think that I want to retake the LSAT and try to apply again next year to more schools. Do you think my score will vastly improve—maybe by 10 points or so?

    Should I give the AAMPLE program a shot or try to get next year the old-fashioned way?

  31. Anonymous on said:


    I am a minority student who just graduated with a 3.4 gpa in a three year time span. I have taken the last twice. the first time I received a 142 the second score I cancelled out of fear that I may not have improved enough. My questions to you are?

    Should I have cancelled my second score?

    When you have one low score and one cancelled score how is that generally perceived?

    Do admissions counselors look poorly on applicants who have taken the test more than twice (e.g. a third time)

    What score would I need to achieve to help improve my chances (e.g. 150 or a 160)?

  32. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    I’m not surprised by your results, and in fact am glad you have the opportunity to do the AAMPLE program – a great way into law school for those who are successful. But beware – many do not make it through the process and then (usually) must disclose this to other law schools when applying the following year. The answer about whether you can increase your LSAT score by 10 points depends upon what you can do differently to prepare this time around.
    I have worked with many people in your situation who end up being successful and I wish you the best of luck.

  33. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    Sorry I’m answering these out of order – this one is for Anonymous with the cancelled LSAT:
    1. It’s too late to second guess your decision not to cancel or to cancel. What’s done is done.

    2. A cancelled score is fine, but may require explanation in an addendum.

    3. There is no magic number score. It’s about getting the best score you can possibly get, and then explaining coherently to the schools why that score is (1) more indicative of your abilities than the lower score; and (2) still not an accurate indicator of your potential based on your standardized testing history.

  34. Anonymous on said:

    Does anyone have some advice for me? I was admitted to a law school but academically dismissed in 2006. Yes, it was my first and only semester of law school. I retook my lsat in december of 2007, and made 152 only a point higher than my previous score. I have been rejected by two schools and waiting to hear from another one. Does anyone suggest that I retake the lsat again in hopes for a 155 or 160 to offset my suspension from 2 years ago? I really want to get back into school.

  35. Anonymous on said:

    Looking through, it seems that people accepted to Tier 1 and 2 schools with scores lower than the 25% are consistantly URMs. Why are minorities given such preferential treatment?

    • Richard on said:

      Come on….you know the answer to that. The United States has always treated people unfairly and with its poor record, probably always will.
      You are being discriminated against, plain and simple….

    • Richard on said:

      Don’t worry about it though. Your ultimate success as a lawyer will come from within and the corrupt schools and government will not be able to hold you back….

  36. Sean in MA on said:

    Hope this helps…
    I didn’t get my act together in undergrad until the summer before my sixth and final year. I still remember the day when I decided to turn things around. Unfortunately, even after earning all A’s and B’s my final year I only got my GPA up to a 2.7. I got a 147 on the LSAT and that coupled with my GPA made my application process much more difficult. After being rejected at Suffolk and wait listed at New England School of Law, I applied to Massachusetts School of Law in Andover, MA. It is not ABA accredited but it is state and regionally accredited. I loved the school and excelled academically there attending nights while working full-time. The main point of my post is to stress that I feel the LSAT is a complete joke and completely insignificant. I have often likened most of it to an exercise in impersonating Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man. Being good at the logic games is like being really good at figuring out the Rubix Cube, kind of cool at parties but ultimately pretty useless. In preparing for the Bar Exam I scored in the 98th percentile and 85th percentile in the BARBRI and PMBR simulated MBE’s respectively. I passed the Bar the first time and am now practicing. The main difference between the LSAT and the Bar is that the Bar is actually relevant to your legal knowledge and ability to apply it. Bottom line, if you think the LSAT is useless in terms of its indicative ability then you are correct. I’m sure someone will respond with the .49 correlation between the LSAT and first year law school success, but having gone through the process I can tell you that I did not have that experience.

    • Richard on said:

      I agree with what you are saying, but only to the main point. You have to admit that over 90% of people who score 160+ on the LSAT have a GPA of 3.5 or above. It is not that rare for someone with a high GPA to score low on the LSAT, but the reverse is almost never true….

      • Ann Levine on said:

        Richard, I disagree – I know a lot of people who have low GPAs (2.5s) and very, very high LSAT scores.

  37. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    You’re right – statistics don’t apply to individuals. Individuals defy stats all the time.

  38. Anonymous on said:

    Hello Ann, I love your blog and I am always reading your comments and advice. Thank you for your encouragement for those of us who have defined statistics.

    I would like to address…Sean’s comments, all I want to say is Thank You for having the courage, in my opinion, to say what I have been thinking. I also have taken the LSAT and I am considered an older student, who studied intensively for the LSAT, and despite all that, I did not do well but I have a high GPA in my undergrad and I have a MBA (I did not have to take the infamous GMAT because of my very high GPA but if I had to taken the GMAT I would still be trying to get into graduated school…go figure). Everyone tells me law school is different from graduated school but I can not imagine it being that much different from graduated school. I believe it’s each individual determination because I believe the key is not to overwelm yourself. If fulltime is too much for your life style, then by all means… find a law school that offers a part time program). Having said all that… I agree with Sean, in my opinion, I too think the LSAT is a joke. As we know these are the rules and regulations that were set in place long before any of us were born. I think, in my opinion, the powers that be… should do away with the outdated LSAT because I think there has to be a better way of determining who will succeed in law school (?) other than the current LSAT that has been around since the dawn of time. Lastly, in my opinion, the LSAT seem to have too many limitations.

  39. Anonymous on said:

    I scored low on the LSAT and have a 2.9 GPA, I’ve applied to numerous schools only to be rejected, however, I was accepted to participate in a program for Thomas Cooley that would allow you to be accepted if you pass there one week course and exam. I did not complete the full course. Now I am back in applying to schools I applied to MA School of Law and got accepted. I live in NY and am indecisive on my decision. Should I try to apply to other schools in my area instead.

    • Hi Anne,

      I am a first generation, African American, honorable discharged Army Veteran with a 2.16 GPA and a 135 LSAT score. I have only taken the LSAT once and I do plan on retesting. It has always been my goal to attend law school. I am in a second bachelor degree which my current GPA is a 3.47. This last fall I applied to Charlotte Law School and went through their AAMPLE program and scored a 2.0 GPA; I missed the required 2.5 to admission to the law school. Charlotte said they would allow me retake AAMPLE given a higher LSAT score; I really do not want to retake the AAMPLE program. Should I give up on law school entirely? Or get a Masters?

      • Ann Levine on said:

        IR, I don’t know if a masters will help you – it certainly won’t make the difference in getting into law school because your LSAT and GPA are so low.

  40. Anonymous on said:

    I am a non traditional law school aplicant. I am a 24 year old African American mother of 2(16 month old and 3.5 yearl old) I graduated from San Francisco State University with a 2.86 GPA and I scored 142 on the LSAT. I was 7 months pregnant with my second child when I took the LSAT and I couldn’t afford to take any prep classes I just studyied from the book and took practice tests. I am the first in my family to graduate from college and i grew up in a low income single parent home with a dsiabled mother. I have overcome lots of obstacles and still have many more to overcome I’m planning to take the LSAT again but am wondering if there are any top tier schools that would accept me with the scores and gpa that i have. I have 3 years of law enforcement experience do any of these factors make a difference in regards to my chances of getting into a top tier school?

  41. Jennifer on said:

    I just recieved my lsat score from the June 08 lsat. I revieved a 153 and my College GPA wat a 3.4. I wanted to get into Seton Hall Brookly law or Rutgers. I have worked at a large law firm in NJ for about 7months and by the time I enroll it will be two years work experiance (and hopefully some great recomendation letters). I know my score is low but wonder if schools like this will look highly upon at my two years experiance at a law firm and in the real world.

  42. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    Work experience matters, but 2 years in a firm won’t add 5 points to your LSAT score. Still, I wouldn’t give up all hope and you may want to consider whether retaking the LSAT would benefit you. If I can help you through the application process in any way, please let me know through
    Thanks so much for reading the blog.

  43. Anonymous on said:

    I took the LSATs after studying for two and a half months and received a score in the forty-ninth percentile. The next two times I took the test I cancelled my score (I am a little neurotic and feel I need a good score). I was unaware of this until recently (about a week ago), but to take the LSAT more than three times in a two year period I have to get a letter from a law school requesting for the LSAC to allow me to take the test again. When I called the LSAC regarding the policy a customer service associate told me ‘she never heard of a school that would not write the letter’ (I needed). So I called two law schools and both of them said they had a policy of not writing these letters. Please be honest is there any way I can get a letter to take the test again by September or December?

  44. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    Hopefully you called schools in your geographic area first, but in either event keep trying because there are schools who will help you with this. Good luck!

  45. Anonymous on said:

    I took the LSAT and received a score of 142 and I have a GPA of 3.1. After taking the LSAT twice (cancelling the first score), I decided to enroll in a non ABA approved local school. I have completed my first year of school and have decided that I really want to go to an ABA approved school, preferably University of TN or Memphis School of Law because I live in TN. Should I re-take the LSAT before I apply? And will it help me in the admissions process that I have completed a year of law school and was successful??

  46. I’ve been to prison twice, but since then I have a 3.0 gpa and I scored 155 on L.S.A.T I’m also a licensed plumber of two years. what are my chances of getting accepted a lae school?

  47. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    Ray, I really can’t give such specific advice over the blog format because I don’t know enough information. If you’re interested in an initial consultation, please contact me through my law school admission consulting website at
    thank you.

  48. Anonymous on said:

    I got a 156 on my LSAT the first time around. I’m planning on taking it again in October, and so far am scoring in the 161-162 range when I take my practice tests. I know that this score is okay, but not great since I graduated with a BA in poli sci with a GPA of only 2.9! However, I have a strong resume, a recommendation from my dean, employer, and a professor. I also want to go into public interest law. My dream school is Temple University’s Beasley Law School. Do you think (based on the above information) I have a remote chance of getting in???

  49. Hello Ann,
    I recently scored a 151 on a practice test, I have 3 weeks before the actual LSAT so hopefully I can raise my score a little. I will graduate with a 2.9 overall GPA. As many other posters have also said, I too have overcome many obstacles. I grew up in poverty, had a disabled parent, and I had a child my freshamn year of college. My 1st choice is the University of Louisville, 2nd choice Northern KY. What do you think of my chances? Also, should hardships be mentioned in personal essays? Thank you so much!

  50. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    HI Marie – it’s very hard for me to give applicant-specific advice in the blog format because I just don’t know the whole picture about anonymous individuals. Generally, hardships are good to address if you have actually overcome them. Good luck on the LSAT!

  51. Anonymous on said:

    Hello Ann K, I graduated from college 5 years ago with a 3.2 gpa and applied to law school then with a 143 lsat score in early March. I understand that is the most competitive time to apply. I now 5 years of police experience and I have been studying deligiently for the upcoming lsat, only to have improved my score so far by 5 points. Here’s the biggie, I do have a misdemeanor charge on my record. My concern is that my low lsat score and one bad decision will keep me from realizing my dream. What are my chances? Also I only have about a month to get my applications in early. What should I do?

  52. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    I am more concerned about the Low LSAT than the misdemeanor but I can’t give such specific advice on the blog format – I just don’t have enough information. For now, concentrate on getting the LSAT score up.

  53. Anonymous on said:

    Here’s a secret some of you people should be aware of: if you are a white male with a sub 150 LSAT, you don’t have a hope in hell of getting admitted to a top 100 law school. I’m a 3L at just such a school and I can tell you I have NEVER met a WM with a sub 150 LSAT. Gender and especially RACE play a huge role in admissions. This business about extra c’s and rec’s is garbage. I didn’t have a single ec, social membership, or even an impressive GPA. No, what I had was a decent LSAT score, which I worked hard to get. A high LSAT trumps everything. (Don’t believe me? Log on to As well, many of the 4th tiers that do accept you are really just there to take your money. They know full well you won’t be getting a job when you graduate. Even worse, if you are enticed into attending one of these schools, be prepared to have your “scholarship” yanked after 1st year.

    Advice: Get all the Powerscore books, take as many practice exams as you can, and implement a 4-5 hr a day, 3 month study schedule. If you have a low LSAT and this seems like “too much work” then you don’t have what it takes to be a successful law student.

  54. Anonymous on said:

    Dear Ms. Levine:

    I find your information quite helpful and inspiring.

    I have taken the LSAT 3 times with poor results. They have increased form 139 to 140 to 143, yet even practicing every weekend and even daily, the number does not go beyond 148 in practice tests, So I am actually going to try it agian tomorrow.

    I live in the Washington DC area, have a GPA of 3.42, am 36 year old male hispanic (born outside the US), obtained my degreee in legal studies studying part time and working full time at a real estate law firm; and for about 2 months now, I have a part time job as a freelance Spanish interpeter for the office of administrative hearings, motor vehicle admin., dept. of juvenile services, worker comp. commission, etc. All related to law practices, and in front of judges and commisioners.

    I have 2 girls, and a family established in this region. I also managed to own 2 other properties.

    Do you think that a local school, knowing that most are 1st and 2nd tier, would even consider my appication?? Moving would be really difficult for me.

    Thank you in advance for your reply.


  55. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    D. Thanks for writing. If your score comes out in the high 140s, there are schools in the area I could recommend but of course chances of admission aren’t likely. However, I actually haven’t seen low 140s clients be successful in the last few years and I no longer take on clients with LSATs as your past LSAT scores have been.
    Good luck tomorrow.

  56. Anonymous on said:

    Like many others who have written in this blog I have low LSAT, 140and a GPA of 3.10 in Marine Biology. I want to know if I have a chance of getting in somewhere. As for me I have already completed my master’s in Marine Policy with a 3.8 GPA. And for the past 3 years I have been working on a doctorate in Marine Biology with a GPA of 3.9. I have decided to go to law school after change in heart with Marine Biology. What is your opinion?

  57. Anonymous on said:

    Hi Ann, I came across your blog and wanted to drop a note thanking you for the kind advice you’ve been giving others. 🙂 I’m in the process of applying to international law programs, but I come from a very different background, I think, from most applicants. Due to cultural conflict at the start of my undergrad, my parents disowned me and I had to put myself through college. My school was extremely helpful in guiding me financially and academically. Now I work two jobs after graduating to keep up with student loans. I took the LSAT amidst all of this and scored a 153 – not really in the ballpark for the Top 25. I know I’m capable of doing better, it’s just difficult given my circumstances to study in a peaceful state of mind. On the flip-side, I have some extremely honorable references from directors and personnel in international relations in the US and Canada, and I believe that my personal statement might help to explain discrepancies in my scores. Have you ever come across candidates with this situation before?

    • Richard on said:

      Don’t worry if you can’t get into a top 25 school. I have friends who went to tier 2 and tier 3 schools, and are really successful. One even became a judge.

  58. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    This is the age old problem of a really bright person who doesn’t do as well on the LSAT as he/she would like and I would be happy to talk with you about some ideas and strategies if you contact me through
    I look forward to hearing from you.

  59. Anonymous on said:

    I just got my LSAT score and am disappointed. I scored 155 after several weeks of work in prep books. I am a hard-working white male student with a 3.825 GP at WFU. I really want to attend Chapel Hill, but know my LSAT score may not be in the ballpark. I was wondering if I should capitalize on how neither my SAT or LSAT scores reflect who I am as a student in hopes that I can convince admissions I would be an asset. Should I retact in December, knowing that I am in a difficult semester being overloaded in papers in projects, limiting my study time for the test? Should I set my sights lower than Chapel HIll or do I have a shot?
    Hardworking Student

  60. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    Hello Hard Working Student.
    First, an LSAT that is better than 2/3 of all applicants doesn’t qualify as a “very low LSAT.” It’s a fine LSAT, although I do understand you are disappointed. In terms of analyzing chances at certain schools and deciding whether to retake, I want to encourage you to contact me through so I can provide you with more personalized information than the blog format allows.

  61. Anonymous on said:

    I thought this blog was really helpful by reading other people’s comments so I thought I would post too.

    I am 20yr minority and graduating from UW this June in only 3 years. I have a 3.85 GPA with a BA in pre-law and minor in pol sci, and I am in Phi Betta Kappa. I have worked at two law firms (private and county) for a span of the past 3 years and 10 years worth of volunteer work. My personal statement is great because it is based on my disease and how I am turning my personal experiences into helping others by being an attorney. I have one letter of rec from an attorney and two from profs. that know my academic strength.

    Now, I am NOT a standardized test taker because my SATs were pretty low but I was able to get into UW with a great HS GPA and extra curr. activities. I just took the LSAT and I received a 142. What should I do? Will everything else be able to off-set my LSAT score? What are the chances of getting into a tier 3 law school?

    Thank you for your help!

  62. Anonymous on said:

    Oh! I forgot one thing to add to my last post

    Is it better to go ahead and apply for priority deadlines or not with that LSAT score? (as of now, I am signed up to retake it just to save me a seat, but I do not know how much better I can do since I have been scoring in the 140s, took a test prep course already, and studied really hard for it)

    thanks again!

  63. Melissa on said:


    I just got my scores and am a smudge less disappointed after reading this blog. I got a 144 and my GPA is 3.75. I am 26, Black and a single mother of a 2 year old. I went back to school to complete my Bachelors degree in business when she was barely 1 year old and have managed to maintain a high GPA and will be graduating in June. I have 5 years experience as a legal research assistant at 2 very well known and respected law firms in NY and have been working in the hedge fund industry for the last 3 years doing more investigative research.

    I really cannot afford to take the LSAT again so is it worth it to try to apply with this score and my GPA and background or should i just shelve the dream and get an MBA? I am also not a good standardized test taker so even if I could take it again it may not make that much of a difference.


  64. Anonymous on said:

    After 3 weeks of waiting, my lsat score for october was finally here. And to my surpirse it was a measly 146. I had been scoring in the upper 150’s lower 160’s in my practice tests. I am a 21 year old college senior with a dobule major in poli sci and psychology. My gpa is 3.7 and I will be graduating with honors from both majros as well as from the university.
    I am hispanic, first of my family to go to college, let alone pursue a career after that. I am part of psichi (psychology honros society), phi kappa phi and the secretary for the national society of collegiate scholars for our campus. I don’t have any internships or legal work experience, but I do have an irb approved research study I did last year for psychology.
    I live in southern california, what are my chances of getting into a good school here? I’m not sure I will score much higher if I retake the lsat in december because my semester finals are around that time. Should I take some time off and prepare for it more and then retake it, or will my numbers as of now get me in somewhere “respectable?” Thanks for your advice.

  65. elizabet travis on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I have just received my LSAT and it was a 156. This was a lower score than I had hoped for after two months of studying. My cumulative undergrad gpa was low at a 2.8, though in my last 2 years as a journalism major I made a 3.5 or above each semester. I am also an older applicant at 28 with over two years of solid work experience in media and publishing. I have gone through many events over the past few years, including evacuating during Hurricane Katrina and moving to New York. I was hoping to go to law school in New Orleans at either Tulane or Loyola. My question is: do you think I would be better off to retake the LSAT and hope for a better score, or begin applying to schools now and hope to get in.

  66. Anonymous on said:

    Your blog is excellent. I took the lsats this month and scored a 145 (had a 3.32 college GPA also). I did only semi-prepare for about a month, but do not have much time due to my current job.

    My question is, after reading the different sites for lsat ranges, what chance do I really have at places such as Brooklyn, NY Law, Albany Law and how many should I truly apply to?

  67. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    Hi Anonymous,
    You need to retake the test; you didn’t prepare adequately and you’ll waste your time, effort and money applying this year if you don’t try again…..

  68. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    Ok everybody – I’m glad you love this post, but I can’t respond to any more anonymous comments because I’ve noticed my responses make no sense when you can’t tell which anonymous person’s question I’m answering. So please use names! Thanks so much. It will make my job much easier.

  69. Anonymous on said:

    I have an LSAT score of 151 that I just got back. I am signed up for the December LSAT as a re-take. My GPA overall is a 3.34, but I transferred after my sophomore year and my GPA at my new school (both schools ranked nearly the same in US News Report) is 3.6-3.7. I am a white male traditional student. I am trying really hard to get into U of Kansas, U of Nebraska, or Saint Louis. What do you think I need to do on my next LSAT/ do overall to get into these schools?

  70. JoshuaNC on said:

    Thanks so much for all of this help. I recently posted as anonymous before reading your last post saying to cease doing so. So here’s my situation:

    I just got my October LSAT scores back. I got a 151, I was scoring 158-160 on the practices but I really only took about 5 tests. I looked hard at the material for about two weeks, but I now know this was not enough. I used Kaplan’s logic games book and their general lsat book.

    I am signed up for a retake in December and have signed up for a weekend powerscore course 2 weeks prior to the exam. I also purchased 2 of the packages of 10 Official LSAT PrepTests.

    My GPA is a 3.34 overall, I transfered schools (schools that are virtually identical in US News Reports). My GPA at my new school is a 3.6-3.7

    I am a traditional white male student.

    I am trying to get into U of Kansas, U of Nebraska, and St. Louis U. Am I doing enough to get my scores up? Am I realistic in aiming for these schools?

  71. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    Melissa, the answer to your question depends upon whether you’re applying to schools who will consider you with the score….

  72. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    JoshuaNC, thanks so much for reposting. I really appreciate it. You did NOT prepare enough, and you didn’t need me to tell you that. You have to retake it, and when you do so then you’ll be able to submit a strong application (I hope!) to the schools you hope to attend.

  73. I just received my lsat score, a 154, which was disappointing. I was scoring in the 154-160 range during my practice tests, studied for over a year and even took a kaplan course. Do you think I can improve by December, if I retake it?

    I am a first generation, hispanic woman, with a 3.6 gpa from UC Berkeley. Is there any hope of getting into a school like UC Hastings or UCLA with my scores?


  74. I just received my lsat score, a 154, which was disappointing. I was scoring in the 154-160 range during my practice tests, studied for over a year and even took a kaplan course. Do you think I can improve by December, if I retake it?

    I am a first generation, hispanic woman, with a 3.6 gpa from UC Berkeley. Is there any hope of getting into a school like UC Hastings or UCLA with my scores?


  75. JoshuaNC on said:

    Hey me again. Thanks so much for the encouragement! Since I just found out my results and there is approximately only 40 days left til the retake. Is that enough time to study? Like I said I’m taking the Powerscore weekend course 2 weekends before. My friend whose already taken the course has lent me the Powerscore book they use already and I have the Logic Games Bible and 2 books of 10 Preptests on the way with an additional 2 tests. Is this sufficient time/material?

  76. Anonymous on said:

    I took the lsat twice. My higher score was 138. My undergrad GPA is 2.98. Im feeling discouraged about ever being accepted into Law School. Please give me some insight or advice on what I should do.

  77. Gophergutz on said:

    First, I want to say thank you for creating this site. Really cool.
    OK. So, I just got my LSAT score back and, while I did OK with a 156, the score is on the low side of what my first-choice school will take. I’m an Economics major with a GPA in the 3.5 – 3.6 range. I’m an older student (33), married with a child on the way. As such, I’m fairly limited in the schools I can go to. One is a private school which will cost at least 1 arm and 1 leg…. and maybe more. The other is a very good (and affordable) public university (my first choice). Being on the low side of the accepted LSAT scores for the public university, what, in your professional opinion, should I be doing in my application to improve my chances?
    Again, thank you so much for this service.
    – Jason

  78. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    Thanks Jason – simply make sure everything within your control is as strong as possible – LORs, Resume, Personal Statement, any addenda or optional essays. Knock their socks off! Oh, and visit the campus!

  79. Anonymous on said:

    I have a 3.5 GPA and a 146 on the LSAT. I am attending a reputable university and I am going to be working with an admissions consultant to make my application as strong as possible. I also plan to take the LSAT again this December. I am worried that one month is not long enough to prepare, but I originally started preparing in May. Assuming that my LSAT score does not increase by much, what are my chances of getting into a tier one law school? If not tier one, then at least a good law school? I appreciate any guidance you can provide.

  80. Brandon on said:

    I took the LSAT in June, and I scored a 147. I have a 3.5 GPA at Christian Brothers University, in Memphis, TN. I am planning on taking the LSAT again in December. Do you think I have a good chance at getting into law school at Memphis? How much higher does my score need to be? What’s the fastest way to raise your score? I only have about a month until test time. Thanks a lot

  81. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    Hi Brandon, I can’t tell you the fastest way to raise your score because I’m not an LSAT tutorial specialist. However, according to Memphis’ own stats, your chances of acceptance increase substantially at above the 150 level, and again at above 155…. Good luck!

  82. Anonymous on said:

    i have a gpa of 3.95, a score of 151 that i’m retaking in december, and two misdemeanors that could be attributed to undiagnosed add. do i have a chance at getting in?

  83. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    It depends on where you’re trying to get in : )
    I just want to remind everyone that I do try to answer questions but cannot answer questions about your chances at particular schools. Also it would be helpful to me if you would not use Anonymous as your sign-in because it confuses readers as to which question I’m answering. Thanks!

  84. Anonymous on said:

    Hey I have an LSAT score of 144 and im taking the test again in 3 weeks. My GPA is about 3.0. Im scoring about a 155 but im still very nervous i wont get in anywhere. Where do you think i should apply?Im thinking about applying to Thomas Jefferson and Western State University. Can u suggest a few more?Thanks

  85. Anna, I’m glad I found this site. I received a 145 on my LSAT, and am retaking it again next month. I have a 3.2 gpa from Indiana U, during that time I was able to complete numerous internships including the White House. Is there any advice, suggestions, or thoughts as I begin sending out my applications? Thanks

  86. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    A.C., submit the very best personal statement, resume, and LORs that you can. Choose schools very wisely (don’t overestimate the value of your soft factors when creating your schools list) and apply early!
    Good luck!

  87. Steven S on said:

    Hey I have an LSAT score of 144 and im taking the test again in a week. My GPA is about 3.0. Im scoring about a 155 but im still very nervous i wont get in anywhere. Where do you think i should apply?Im thinking about applying to Thomas Jefferson and Western State University. Can u suggest a few more?Thanks

  88. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    Hi Steven,
    Creating a schools list is something I spend a lot of time doing once I know my clients very well, so unfortunately I can’t do it in the blog format. Please let me know if I can help you in any other way. Good luck with the LSAT!

  89. Hey, I am currently a junior and am taking the LSAT in june, what would you prefer would be the best way to study for the LSAT on my own, I just ordered cheap Kaplan LSAT prep. I will have a GPA of about 3.4 from University of Georgia and I took 3 practice tests without any prep. and my lowest was 149 and the highest was 155, how can I raise that to lets say lower 161, if it is possible at all. And what schools would be best for me, if I want to attend a school in the Boston area? ty

  90. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    Hi Danish, most of my clients prefer the Powerscore bibles for at-home self-study.
    In terms of schools, this isn’t something I can do unless I know a lot more about you – which is why its a service I provide to my law school admission consulting clients. If you’d like help in any way, please feel free to check out

  91. Hi,

    I just received my lsat score today and I am really disappointed. I received 147. my GPA is 3.78 with double majors in Hardware Engineering and Computer Science. I have work experience and research. Is there a way I can get admission in Arizona state university or any other university ranking between 25 to 75th?


  92. Hi,

    I received my lsat score today. I got 147. my gpa is 3.78 in double majors computer science and hardware engineering from arizona state university. I have work experience and currently pursuing masters in computer science and working for aerospace industry. Do I have any chance to get into school ranking between 25 to 75th or Arizona state university?


  93. Anonimo on said:


    I just got my LSAT scores and I am really nervous about my chances of getting into any of the schools on my list. I was set on NYU or Columbia until an hour ago.

    I graduated with a 3.7 Magna Cum Laude, with a double major in political science and development studies, I was elected to student government among other extracurriculars, I received a fellowship upon graduation, I will have an MA in a related field by May and I am trilingual BUT I scored a 144 on my LSATs.

    Is there any way to get these schools to look past my score?

    I really appreciate the help. Thank you.

  94. Hello,

    I just got my LSAT scores and I am really nervous about my chances of getting into any of the schools on my list. I was set on NYU or Columbia until an hour ago.

    I graduated with a 3.7 Magna Cum Laude, with a double major in political science and development studies, I was elected to student government among other extracurriculars, I received a fellowship upon graduation, I will have an MA in a related field by May and I am trilingual BUT I scored a 144 on my LSATs.

    Is there any way to get these schools to look past my score?

    I really appreciate the help. Thank you.

  95. dkjfhaksjf on said:

    hey i was wondering if there is any hope for me…i have a very strong GPA at about 3.9 and i took the december lsat and bombed it with a 141…i never really had time to study or prepare for it due to my athletic schedule and have no clue how i will do if i retake it in feb…with a strong gpa is there a chance i can get into a decent school?

  96. I scored a 138 and i have a 3.54 GPA . Should i retake the test or is there any chance of getting into a law school with my low score. I took the december LSAT and anxiety kicked in.

  97. Anonymous on said:

    I’d like to graduate from a 2nd tier law school.

    I recently received a LSAT score of 144; this is my first time taking the test. I have an undergraduate GPA of 3.45.

    Assuming that I can get into a 4th tier law school for next fall, would it be better to start school right away with the hopes of transferring later on or, should I wait and try to increase my LSAT score in June?

  98. Hi I just recently received my LSAT score (140) which I am not particularly happy with. I have taken the test a couple of times with the hope that I will be able to increase my score and have come up short. Throughout my years in school, I’ve learned that some people have weaknesses when it comes to multiple choice tests, and I am one of those people. For me, my strength lies in essay type exams, not the the current right answer (more right answer) multiple choice test format. If the LSAT was a written test, I have no doubt in my mind that I would achieve the level of success that I am accustomed to. I don’t feel that the LSAT is an acceptable means to gauge ones performance and whether or not an they will succeed in law school, all it shows is who is better at pressure on one given day of the year, nothing more.

    So since my future lays in the hands of the admissions committees, I am looking to see what types of options I have to go with. I have applied to a number of law schools in Canada, and now I am looking into whether I have any options within the US and if there is any chance that I will be able to get into law school there.

    With respect to grades, I was on the Dean’s List in grad school and had avg grades throughout my undergraduate degree. I have spent numerous years working in law firms, as well as other industries, volunteering in the community, as well as participating in competitive sports as a means to build up my resume. I am determined to get into law school and I am willing to do almost anything to make that happen. At this point I am also considering rewriting the LSAT for a 5th time in an effort to increase my score yet again.

    Any advice is greatly appreciated


  99. Hi I just recently received my LSAT score (140) which I am not particularly happy with. I have taken the test a couple of times with the hope that I will be able to increase my score and have come up short. Throughout my years in school, I’ve learned that some people have weaknesses when it comes to multiple choice tests, and I am one of those people. For me, my strength lies in essay type exams, not the the current right answer (more right answer) multiple choice test format. If the LSAT was a written test, I have no doubt in my mind that I would achieve the level of success that I am accustomed to. I don’t feel that the LSAT is an acceptable means to gauge ones performance and whether or not an they will succeed in law school, all it shows is who is better at pressure on one given day of the year, nothing more.

    So since my future lays in the hands of the admissions committees, I am looking to see what types of options I have to go with. I have applied to a number of law schools in Canada, and now I am looking into whether I have any options within the US and if there is any chance that I will be able to get into law school there.

    With respect to grades, I was on the Dean’s List in grad school and had avg grades throughout my undergraduate degree. I have spent numerous years working in law firms, as well as other industries, volunteering in the community, as well as participating in competitive sports as a means to build up my resume. I am determined to get into law school and I am willing to do almost anything to make that happen. At this point I am also considering rewriting the LSAT for a 5th time in an effort to increase my score yet again.

    Any advice is greatly appreciated


  100. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    Obviously, you’re going to have to adjust your expectations regarding schools. You should evaluate what you did to prepare for the LSAT and do some soul searching to determine the likelihood of being able to raise your score on a retake. You might want to give yourself more time and put the test off until June and apply for Fall 2010 admission (as one possible alternative).
    There are schools that will look past your score, and everything else you have going for you does count, but Top 5 law schools can choose from people with 173s and 3.9s and Master Degrees and diversity, so they don’t have a lot of incentive to dip to someone with a 144 LSAT…. This is not the end of your promising legal career, it just means you’re going to have to adjust expectations about how you might obtain it (and where).

    Happy new year.

  101. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    Anonymous, I would play it both ways. See where you can get in with the score and take the June LSAT as a back up plan for Fall 2010…. That way you’ll be keeping your options open…..

  102. Ann,

    I am a college senior at Rutgers University majoring in Political Science and minoring in Psychology. I messed up in the first two years of college because I tried to pursue a major in business to get into the business school, which proved unsuccessful. My major GPA is 2.5, and my cumulative GPA is about 2.6 right now. I took the LSATs twice this year–once in October, and once in December and both times I got the same score, a 141. Also, I am Indian, so I hope that being a minority helps me out. I am applying to New York Law School, Hofstra Law School, City University of New York Law School, and Pace Law School. If I write an amazing personal statement, do I have a chance at any one of these law schools despite my low GPA and low LSAT score?

  103. anonymous on said:

    Thanks Ann,
    With a 144 LSAT score and a 3.45 GPA, do I have any business applying to second tier law schools?

    Thank you.

  104. Charles on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I came across this blog as I was searching for an answers as to whether I should write an addendum or not. I have a 3.59 cumulative GPA (3.66 Major) and a 147 (1st time) and a 152 (2nd Time). It’s only a 5 point jump and I was wondering if I should write an addendum and if so, how should I craft it?

  105. Ann K. Levine, Esq. on said:

    Charles, it couldn’t hurt to write a very simple 2 sentence addendum explaining the increase but it’s not absolutely necessary (except for schools that state they want an explanation).

  106. Christie left this comment on my old blog:
    I recently sat for the LSAT and got a 138 (after getting a 148on my practice LSAT before that).My GPA is a 3.7 and I am in the honors program. I work for hard in hopes of getting into William & Mary or the like. In the past, I have not been a good standardized test taker. Should I take it again or leave as is and just go with it?

    Christie, it’s important to have realistic expectations. I couldn’t name a single law school that would consider you seriously with this score. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I want to spare you the heartache of useless applying. I urge you to retake the exam and apply for Fall 2010.

  107. Danielle on said:

    Hi there,

    I posted yesterday, but do not see it now, so I’m writing again. (Sorry if this posts twice) I took the LSAT in October 2008 and got a 142 or 143. I took it again in December 2008 and got a 147. I have a 3.2 UGPA (I majored in Criminal Justice and Communications). I have applied to 8 law schools and am wondering if theres a possibility of admission.

    Additional info that might help: I’m an African-American female, 21 yrs old. I got my BS last May. I have good LORs and a good, solid personal statement. I worked all throughout undergrad, about 35-40 hrs/week. I also have extracurriculars and volunteer experience.

    Any info would be greatly appreciated. I’ve been reading different things online that make me feel like there’s no hope. I am trying not to pull my hair out so anything would help. Thank you so much.


  108. Hi Danielle,
    I don’t know where you applied, so I can’t tell you your chances. But if you applied to schools in the right range, then I think you may have a shot….
    Hang in there!

  109. Danielle on said:

    I’ve applied to SUNY Buffalo, Albany, Syracuse, Pace, Hofstra, Cooley, Touro and the University of Baltimore

  110. Howard on said:

    Hi, Ann.

    If I can offer any encouragement to your clients, I had previously failed law school over a decade ago and have reapplied again. My UGPA is below a 2.5 and my lsat is in the low 140s. However, I was able to gain a Master’s degree after my law school dismissal and achieve some meaningful work experience. I have applied to about 20 different schools of which some are still pending but so far I’ve been waitlisted at 4 schools — three of the schools are well respected state schools within the 3rd and 4th tier. I have never personally used your services but I have read your blogs faithfully to gain some insight and I have to say that I gained a great deal of insight from you which helped to highlight my strengths despite my numbers and past law school history. So NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!

  111. Nicole on said:


    I too received my Feb 2009 score and was a bit disappointed. My score is 144 and UGPA is 2.5 BS in Chemistry. My goal is to apply for Fall 2010 at Vanderbilt, Univ of Memphis, Loyola and Chicago- Kent. I received my BS in 2003 and have had solid work history since then within my field, obtained a professional certification and extensive volunteer work. Should I retake the LSAT or readjust my expectations for the schools which I would like to attend?

    • Hi Nicole, I want to start by saying that you are asking the right questions. If additional preparation would improve your LSAT score, then that’s absolutely the way to go. If you try to improve your score and you are unable to do so then you can think about adjusting your expectations about schools. However, with your current numbers there is no great incentive to rush to apply. Good luck with everything.

  112. Robert on said:

    Good Evening,
    I am a non-traditional law school applicant. Finished undergrad(History) 9 years ago with a 3.2, took the LSAT in June 2008 with a 148, three reccomendations, strong personal statements (married, own a home, two daughters 7 and 20 months, have had a state job for the last 9 years). After doing a lot of research we applied to 9 schools, tier 3 and 4’s, have had two acceptances and 1 waitlist (all tier 4’s). We would really like to go to Vermont Law School, I have visited, met with an admissions counselor, and sent a thank you letter. I applied there 2/13, called today, went complete on 3/4 (was told they are back logged and I should hear something soon). I noticed today on their website that they have extended their application deadline to June 1. Two questions, What do you honestly think my chances are, and two, would re-taking the June LSAT help? Thank you so much for your feedback

    • Hi Robert,
      Thanks for writing. If you were going to retake the LSAT, the time would’ve been fall or winter 2008. Because you didn’t, you should stick with what you have and let schools make their decisions. You already have 2 options. Once you hear back from other schools you can decide how you feel about those options, but I don’t think taking the June LSAT is the right decision. It seems more desperate than logical because of the timing.
      I wish you the best of luck with Vermont.

  113. Angie on said:

    Like everyone else on your blog, I am very frustrated. I have taken the LSAT twice (135 & 141). I do much better on my practice exams and dont really know what the problem is. I live 5 hours to the closest testing facility so this has been a hasstle for me to find someone for my children to stay with when I leave to take these test. My GPA is a 3.55 and I am graduating in May with honors. I have only been able to apply at 5 schools because I have been out of pocket on all expenses for law school. I have already recieved two turn down letters and waiting for the other three. I have applied at U of Wyo, SMU, and U of Texas. All show that I am in final review. I am very nervous and have this complete empty feeling.The reason is, is that I know that my LSAT score does not reflect the student I am. If I do not get into a law school this year can I take the LSAT again for next year? How does that work? Are there only a certain amount of times you can take the LSAT? I would appreciate your imput. Thank you

    • Hi Angie,
      You can take the LSAT 3 times in a 2 year period, and that would be your back-up plan.
      I wish you the best of luck with the decisions you’re waiting for.

  114. Mike on said:


    I have a 3.2 GPA with a major in pre-law, and a minor in leadership. I don’t go to a well recognized school, and didn’t do as well as I would have hoped on my LSATs (141). I have been interning at a great internship for the past 4 years and have had work exprience since I have been 15. I also have alot of volunteer hours and extracirricular activities. Also, I am terrible at math. My GPA in non-math topics is about a 3.44. Is this going to be enough to overcome the very low LSAT? I didn’t take a course for the LSAT would you recomend that?

    • Hi Mike,
      You need an LSAT prep course or private tutor -absolutely.
      There is a chapter in my book for people with very low LSAT scores, and this might help motivate you in this regard.
      Good luck! And register for the September (or December) LSAT.

  115. Perservered on said:

    I have been out of college 4 years been studying and working part time in the interim. I have not received a decision from Whittier but I am planning to visit the campus on Monday. The last three times I took the LSAT I got 146,146,142 I have a UGPA of 2.87 I decided to apply to two California Accredited Schools and I got accepted to UWLA and am waiting on Glendale.

    I learned a lot from my time off and I traveled a little learned a lot of myself and I am not totally disappointed if I do not get into Whittier. I even got into Whittier with a 137 score believe it or not in 2005 but I was not able to obtain my Letter of Recommendation in time.

    If you do not get into an ABA Accredited School I repeat do not get discouraged. There are many avenues to reach law school and don’t let people tell you that you can not succeed in law school because you `can’t get into an ABA school because there are plenty of successful lawyers who went to a state accredited school and are successful.

    Good Luck to all and to myself as well!

  116. Kimberly on said:

    Is 1 month and 16 days enough time to prepare for the LSAT? I never studied for the first 2 times I took the exam because I had alot going on but I plan to study this time since I’m not in class. Do you think I should study longer than a month?

  117. Milica Z. on said:

    Dear Ann:

    Like many here, I have a low LSAT score (141) and a 3.0 GPA; I also took the LSAT again in February and did a bit worse. My undergraduate degree was B.S. in sociology emphasis Criminology and a minor in Public Administration. I applied to law schools for Fall 2009 and unfortunately did not get accepted anywhere. I graduated in May of 2008 and have been working for a chicago-loop law firm for the past 3 years, where I am now office manager. I have great letters of recommendation and great work experience.

    Since I did not get accepted anywhere for law school, I am pursuing a Paralegal program with an ABA accredited school in Chicago. I will be applying again to law schools for the Fall 2010 term, but I would like to know how well my chances are? If I should really look into taking the LSAT again; which I am not good at taking standardized tests.

    My bosses are waiting for me to graduate law school so I can become junior/senior partnet, they truly respect my work ethic and know that I can do it and I know I can do it. If you could give me some advise I would greatly appreciate.
    Milica Z.

    • Hi Milica,
      Thanks for writing. The answer to your main question is that you’re not going to be seriously considered for law school admission with your current scores so you would need to (1) retake the test and (2) significantly improve your score. So you need to look into what it would take to improve your score meaningfully and start practicing.
      Good luck!

    • Milica,
      Thanks so much for your comment. You need to increase that LSAT score. That’s far more important than success in a paralegal program. You should be investing the time and money in an LSAT tutor if law school is where you hope to end up. I can happily recommend a tutor in the Chicago area if you contact me privately.
      Good luck!

  118. Monique Salas on said:

    Hi Ann-
    Thank you for your blog. Here are my stats: overall 3.01 still waiting for my LSAT score. Practice tests have all been around 140, unfortunately, I do not test well. I did take a prep class 🙁 I was a leader in community activism throughout my undergrad years at UC Davis (LGBT and many communities of color). I am a 30 years old lesbian woman of color, Mexican and Black. I have grown up within poverty and am the first in my family to go into higher education. All of these factors have been expressed in my PS and I have had it critiqued by many, I am confident it reads well. I would like to stay in California and go into Public Interest Law. I am currently an intern at a Dependency Firm. I would like to attend Santa Clara, Boalt, or USF. How high would you say I need to score in order to be admitted? I have been told that I am a strong applicant because of my diverse background and experience in activism, do you think this will improve my chances of being admitted? What do you think the minimum score should be given all of the factors that I put forth? Thank you 🙂

    • Monique,
      You sound incredibly impressive, but this isn’t the kind of advice I can give on the blog for 2 reasons:
      1. I haven’t seen your application;
      2. I do not believe in giving out arbitrary “minimum” scores without investigating into your preparation methods and what the best score is that is within the realm of possibilities for your aptitude on this exam.
      3. You are still waiting for your score and a hypothetical isn’t going to be productive or helpful. I know the waiting is hard, but there is no way around it.

      In general, as I state in my book, low LSAT scores (low 140s and lower) are extremely problematic. (I have a 3 page section in my book entitled “Very Low LSAT Scores” based on the fact that this thread is the most popular, most hit-upon, and most commented upon post in my blog over the past 3 years)
      I wish you the best of luck and hope you will let me know if I can be of any help to you in this process.

  119. Hopeless? on said:

    Thank you for your website. I hope to maybe get some clarification on a few things about my application.

    My UGPA is a 2.5, I took the LSAT in 2/07 got a 148 and my September scores just came in and I got a 147. 🙁 I am female and an URM (Hispanic- Peru). I graduated in May 2008 and am in my first year of a Master’s program now.

    It is useless to apply to schools now? I put off law school for two years thinking my scores would get better, but even on my best PT I got a 158. And only once. The average was 151.

    Should I take the LSAT for the third time? Switch my expectations of schools? Abandon my dream of law school??

    • Dear (NOT) hopeless:
      If your average score on practice exams was a 151, then keep the 148/147 scores and apply to law schools that take people with those scores. You are unlikely to bring your score up a third time without some drastic changes in preparation. You are getting a Masters – having good grades in that program will help ameliorate your GPA from undergrad.

    • Dear NOT hopeless:
      If your average score on practice exams was a 151, then keep the 148/147 scores and apply to law schools that take people with those scores. You are unlikely to bring your score up a third time without some drastic changes in preparation. You are getting a Masters – having good grades in that program will help ameliorate your GPA from undergrad.

  120. Hopeless? on said:

    I forgot to mention that my entire time in college I worked at law offices as a Paralegal in Florida. My last employer wrote a wonderful letter for me because he was really impressed with my work at many trials we did together. He always chatted me up to all the attorneys and judges when we went to the courthouse together. I hope this helps.


  121. engineer on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I just received my LSAT score today and I got a 144. This is actuallz below my expecation because I normally score somewhere between 146 to 150 on the sample tests. Since english is my second language, I have probelm finishing all the questions within the time frame. I normmally can answer 20 questions in each section and randomly guest the rest of them. So, I don’t think re-taking the exam will be a good idea. I wonder if there is a chance I can get into a 3rd or 2nd tier law school, preferably in Los Angeles area.
    Some information about me:
    -Currently working in a large engineering firm (over 3 years of experience).
    -Received a master of science in engineering from a respected univeristy in california (GPA 3.80).
    -3.22 UGPA in engineering attained from the same univeristy.
    -Currently working on a 2nd master degree.
    -Seeking part-time law program

    Could you please give me some advices on schools I should apply? Thanks.

  122. Worried on said:

    Hi, like most here I’m pretty frustrated with my score. I was averaging 158 on practices and just received my score for the Sept LSATs (i.e. 152). My intention is to apply for Fall 2010; but am worried that this score will not cut it for most schools. I registered for the Dec LSATs to attempt a higher result. Is this wise, or would you advise taking a later test at the cost of delaying law school applications for an addition year? I graduated w/ 3.9 ugpa, received high distinctions on an undergrad honors thesis, and have roughly 1.5 years of post-bach paralegal experience.

  123. engineer on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I do have interest in becoming one of your client. I wonder if we can first talk on the phone to go over some general information.

    Looking at my profilo, how likely do you think I can get into one of the 2-tier law school?

  124. Kisra Campbell on said:

    Dear Ann:

    My name is Kisra Campbell, I live in Puerto Rico. My father is African American and my mother is Puerto Rican. I have a BA in Pyschosocial and a MA in Criminal Justice, both degrees received at the Interamerican University of Puerto Rico. I’m a single mom with three kids and currently unemployed. I took the LSAT and obtained a score of 136. My questions are: Do I stand a chance in being accepted? Will universities in the US consider the fact that I come from a small island. Please advice, my dream is to become an International Lawyer

    • Hi Kisra,
      In my book, I have a whole section of advice for people with very low LSAT scores. I cannot be optimistic, except perhaps with respect to the same university you attended in Puerto Rico.
      I wish you the best of luck.

  125. Monique Salas on said:

    @Ann Levine
    Hi Ann-
    Thanks for your wonderful comments, super nice. As expected, I did not do well on the Sept LSAT, worse than my pt’s=137. Feels awful but I am not giving up 🙂 I understand you would have to see my application, though, I am wondering if you think that it is a little ridiculous to apply to ABA schools that take a hollistic approach to accessing students, in addition to re-taking the LSAT in February, applying in March to (part-time) programs whose app deadlines are in April. I’m also consideringapplying to tier 4 schools now and seeing what potentially comes from that and after one year, transferring. This process is truly maddening, thank for you work. Gosh, one more question…. When and if I choose to submit(137), should I submit a addendum addressing my low lsat score, asking the committee to view my strengths/history of challenged with standardized testing?? Thank you again! M

  126. Hi Monique,
    Law schools can take a holistic approach but applying late with low numbers is not a recipe for success. Asking the committee to disregard your LSAT is not enough. You need to supply facts that encourage them to do so and that’s really hard to do with a 137.
    I really hope the book is helpful to you in your decision making process and if you have a minute, I would truly appreciate an amazon review of the book!

  127. Jenna Rogers on said:

    Hi Ann:
    Here’s a unique one for you. I am VERY non-traditional applicant…I am a PhD neuroscientist with 10 years experience in a pharmaceutical company and I am 55 years young. I also have a Masters Degree and a Nurse Practitioner license. Formerly I taught at the college level and I have a number of published articles in peer-reviewed journals. My UGPA is 3.3 and my LSAT is 148. I’m applying to a part-time program at a Tier 3-4 school (depending on the rater). One of my LORs is from a past New York State Bar President. What do you think my chances are?
    Thank you,
    Jenna R.

  128. Manoj Kumar on said:

    GPA 3.2 and Lsat 133; I have 8 years of strong auditing and tax experience. Currently I am working with State as a Revenue Auditor. I am looking to get into part time program with New England School of Law or Suffolk. Also, I am from the minority group. I completed my degree and LSAT while working full time. Do I have any chance to get into part time programs? Without re-taking the LSAT.

    • Manoj, You need to retake the LSAT. There is no question in my mind. I have a lot of information on the blog regarding different prep programs, and a chapter in my book specifically for applicants with low LSAT scores. I hope those resources are helpful to you.

  129. Hi Ann,
    I know you probably get this question a lot, but I have a low LSAT (144) and a high GPA 3.7. I played Division II Basketball for 4 years, involved in many extracurricular activities (student senate, sorority, community service, internships, clubs etc). Is there any hope for me to get into a decent Tier 3-4 law schools, even if I apply part time? I wanted to take the LSAT again, however, between basketball and school I am unable to dedicate my time to it at the moment. And advice would be absolutely amazing.


    • Hi Jay,
      I have a whole chapter in my book geared toward people with low LSAT scores. I had two clients last year with 144s who were admitted to law schools – both were Tier 4 schools and both had high GPAs, 25+ years of work and life experience, and one was a URM. So, I guess the answer is that it’s not impossible, and you can try with your current stats and then decide whether to retake the LSAT in June and apply for Fall 2011 if you’re not happy with your results.
      Please call if I can be of any help.

  130. Ann, as I can see from all the e-mails a score of 141 and a GPA of 3.26 in Civil Engineering from U of FL will not be very helpful in getting into a school like Stetson, even if I am a Hispanic minority. But, is it impossible. I’m applied to U of Florida, Stetson, Fl A&M, Barry, St Thomas, Nova, Ave Maria, Fl International, and Miami. I have been accepted to two non-ABA law schools, Concord and Cal School of Law, in California, in addition to the external program at the University of London, but would rather go to an ABA school.

    I’m 52 years old, and I’m selling my company so I can concentrate on law school.

    What would you suggest, Jose

    • Jose, since you’ve already applied there is not a lot I can do for you or advice I can give. You may want to meet with individuals at these schools, submit an addendum explaining why you’re unlikely to raise your score upon a re-take, or just take on a different preparation method and re-take the LSAT.

  131. Hi Ann:

    I need your advice. I recently scored a 151 on my LSAT, I have a 2.5 gpa from undergrad, a 3.0 in my graduate program and I have a pretty stellar resume and recommendations.

    Do I have a shot at getting into any decent law schools? Unfortunately, I am not interested in retaking the LSAT.


  132. Hi Ann,

    Thanks for your encouragement. I just got my LSAT score for the December LSAT. I jumped from a 137 (June score) to 142 (December score). Needless to say, after months of prepping from July to December I am disappointed. I will be graduating with a 3.72, a liberal arts major, and two minors.

    I am a black female and an immigrant. I attend a selective state university. I was the president of an organization; I’ve gained 2 internships over the course of 3 years; I am a member of my honor council; I am a part-time student worker during semesters; I have summer work experience; I have strong LORs; I am a member of 3 reputable honor societies; and I have 2 university awards and countless achievements.

    I will also discuss the unique sense of life I have gained due to my immigration from an African country to the U.S at the age of 8 in my personal statement.

    I have wanted to be a lawyer since I was a high school student. I was never good at taking standardized tests. So I planned out my undergrad career and got involved to offset my score.I know you will probably refer me to your consulting services. But honestly, what are my chances of getting into a school like William and Mary or even Catholic University?

    • Lacy, congratulations on the 5 point jump. You have a great GPA and very encouraging experiences and diversity. Apply to law school, but choose law schools carefully – add some safety schools in the mix and if you are in the DC area consider others besides the two you mentioned. Put together your best applications and cast a wide net – some school may give you a shot but you need to be flexible about where you apply. I wish you all the best in your endeavors.

  133. Chandress on said:

    Hi, I recently received my LSAT score and it was a 143. I took the test in 2007 and got a 137. My GPA is 2.88 from UT-Austin. I’ve been working at law offices over the last year and half since graduating in 2008 while also working full time for Microsoft. I want to attend Tulane Law. Is this an unrealistic goal or should I retake the LSAT this Feb and try and raise the score? Thank you so much for any help.

    • Chandress,
      You need to retake the LSAT, but not in February. There is only a month to prepare for the February exam and it’s very difficult to substantially raise a score in such a short time period. I don’t know what you did to prepare for each of your LSAT scores, but it’s imperative to take preparation seriously and you may need to make an investment in that regard. The good news is that if you wait and apply next year, your 2007 score may fall off of your report depending on when in 2007 you took the exam.
      I hope this is helpful.

  134. Ann,

    I have a 3.95 GPA in chemical engineering but my LSAT score was only 144 (Had the flu, lack of prep-time…). I just took it in December without preparation. I figured to take it again in February, in which case I’ll take a mini prep-course and prepare on my own as well. I would still like to send my applications for the February 15th deadline for University of Houston, but because I won’t get my new score in until March 1st, I’m not sure if U of H will even bother looking at this new score. Should I try or just wait for a year?

    • Roger, I suggest you ask U of H. There’s not a lot of time to prepare for the February LSAT, and if lack of prep was an issue the first time around then you don’t want to skimp on it twice. A mini-prep course can be a reminder tool when you’re already prepared and just need a boost, but it’s probably just enough to confuse most folks. I think that if you’re set on starting law school in Fall 2010, you have no choice but to follow this plan. But it would set you off on a course for success that is more likely if you wait, apply for Fall 2011, take the June LSAT and really put the time into it. Good luck and happy new year.

  135. (Reminder: I have the 142 Dec LSAT with a 3.7 GPA; black female immigrant)Thank you! I have one more quick question. How much would you recommend me to wait to apply for the 2011 cycle instead. During this time, I want to try new study methods and work harder to break 150 and beyond. I am in no rush to enter law school. I can wait and take the June LSAT; however, it will be my THIRD time. So it will either be a very low LSAT score or three LSAT scores with hopefully the highest in the mid 150s. Thanks a bunch.

  136. Hi Ann,
    I graduated with a 3.37 with a major in Biology. I am planning on taking the LSAT Feb 6, 2010. I really want to apply for schools Fall 2010. I am looking at California schools like Santa Clara Law and UC Hastings. I know lots of schools are rolling admission, but do I still have a change of getting in? My top choice is Santa Clara Law school.

  137. loumataz on said:

    Hi Ann-

    I’m sending out apps to mostly TTTT schools. Here are my stats;

    lsdas gpa- 2.61

    Do I stand a chance at all even with 5 yrs of solid work experience and 3 stronger LORs? My logic is to apply now and if I come up empty this cycle, retake the June LSAT and reapply for Fall ’11. Your thoughts?

  138. Hi Anne,
    I just received my test score of 144, although I am a bit disappointed I believe I can do better. I am currently a college senior, will be graduating with a 3.6gpa, political science major and spanish studies minors, honor society and deans list…I am also in the military and am currently serving. Should I take my chances and apply this year for law school in order to defer a year (I will be in training for the army) or should I just wait and come back, retake the test, and then apply. the difference is waiting 1 instead of 2 yrs after my undergrad. I also risk deployment and would like to get a head start on my law studies if possible. Also should i just concentrate on retaking the exam for a better score or emphasize my current situation?

    thank you so much!

    • Hi Jenny,
      Your situation is more complicated than most because you have the possibility of deployment looming, and only you can decide how you feel about that.
      If you believe you can do better, I’d like to see you wait and retake the LSAT and apply early for Fall 2011 instead of trying to apply in March/April during such a competitive cycle. However, the whole thing really depends on where you were planning to apply….

  139. Brian on said:

    Hi Ann,
    I have a 144 LSAT and 2.45 GPA from Northern Arizona University with B.S. in Accounting. My main goal was to get into Thomas Jefferson which is a tier 4 School but wanted to know if I should retake the LSAT for the third time in June or try to apply.

    • Brian, only take the LSAT a third time if you’re going to be able to significantly change how you prepare. June isn’t very far away – it’s not much time to make a big jump in your score. Perhaps wait until October and really invest time and energy (and probably $$$ too) in your preparation. You only have one more shot (assuming your timing is 3x in 2 years) so you want to really make the most of it.

  140. Anonymous on said:

    Hi i have a 136 LSAT and 3.12 gpa what are mychances of getting into law school? I am minority and finished my undergrad in 2 years, and have a strong personal statement

    • Dear Anonymous, I actually do not allow anonymous comments because it makes it very confusing for readers to determine whose questions I am answering. I’ll make an exception this once but in the future please do use a name, even if it’s not your real name.
      I think you’re going to have to increase your LSAT score. Your accomplishments are great, but until you have a score that “gets you in the door” all the great things about you aren’t going to get noticed. IF you have another chance to take the LSAT and take advantage of a good tutorial program/instruction, I highly recommend doing so and then applying early in the cycle for Fall 2011.
      I wish you all the best. Please let me know if I can help in any way.

  141. Courtney on said:

    I took the LSAT once in December of 09 (prepped about a month and a half) scored lower than on my practice tests and received a 151.
    I go to Suny Albany, Philosophy major, Business Minor, Art Minor. GPA is a 2.8 with very low GPA in frosh and soph years and A’s and B’s(3.5) in junior and senior years. I worked as a legal assistant last summer and have an LOR from the firm. I have worked a full time job for past two years in a group home for behaviorally challenged children in Albany. My personal statements are specifically geared towards pursuing a career in Public Interest Law or Family Law and has much to do with my work experience//passion to work with special needs children. I applied to Albany Law, Pace Law, New York Law, Cuny Queens, Syracuse, Touro, Quinnipiac. I am a 22 yr old white female. What are my chances!? Do I have a shot at any of these schools?

    • Courtney,
      I cannot assess school lists on the blog format. To give you a worthwhile opinion, I need to review your entire application packet because I need to see exactly what the schools are seeing. I wish you the best of luck with this admission cycle, and if it doesn’t work out and you’d like help for next year, please let me know. Since you haven’t heart from schools yet, I assume you applied very late in this year’s admission cycle and that will impact the decisions negatively, so please keep that in mind.

  142. Jennifer on said:

    Dear Ms. Levine,

    Hi! My name is Jennifer and I took the LSAT in 2007 and I got a 149. I actually got into a law school but was academically dismissed after the first semester because I didn’t do well in my tests. I had a younger sibling hospitalized for some serious health concerns and so I was dividing my time between what was going on at home while trying to make it in law school. Anyways, so I have a Masters degree in social work and have been working as a licensed social worker for the past two years. I took the LSAT again and got a 152. What are my chances of getting admission back into a law school? I am concerned because of my previous dismissal and my current lsat score. My undergrad GPA was about 3.2 and my grad GPA was 3.6.


    • Jenni, I’ve helped a lot of people in similar situations. The key is to convince the law school that the limited circumstances under which you failed last time could not be repeated a second time, and that everything else about you is a better indicator of your success. The mistake most people make in your situation is over-sharing – getting a little too personal and not sounding quite professional/convincing enough. If you’re realistic about your schools and you have good LORs and your application materials are strong, I don’t count you out. The 149 probably falls off your score report, by the way….

  143. DocLaw on said:


    Would like your opinion on how law school adcoms see me…

    Im a med student, 3rd year (4th year status in 2mos) and I am finally applying to law school. I’ve always wanted to go and I have aspirations in pediatrics and child advocacy law. Ive decided to apply between 3rd and 4th because I want to do a short residency and applying after 3 years out of med school is NOT ADVISED. My area of interest in law school is in such great need, I know I’ll no problem being employed after a brief residency, whether I go all law or a med/law combo.

    Here’s my dilemma, as cliche as it may sound. My LSAC UGPA is 2.6 although my UG transcript reports closer to a 2.9. My med school GPA is about a 3.0 with three HONORS in Psychiatry, Pediatrics, and OB/GYN. I’ve passed the first part of my boards first time around.

    In UG, I had brain surgery and struggled with epilepsy for 3 of the 4 yrs. New meds, sleeping in class and tests because of them, a REAL struggle. To top it off, I worked most of my time in school. I was involved outside the classroom in service and got quite a bit of leadership experience.

    In Grad/Med School, I worked more hours, most of which were related to the field I wanted to go into (both on the legal and medical side), in med/social research. I’ve held national leadership positions and picked up some incredible experiences and skills as a result. Im currently a volunteer child advocate while completing 3rd year. Needless to say, my UGPA is not a reflection of my work ethic or ability.

    My PS reflects overcoming adversity of a SERIOUS magnitude not appropriate for disclosure here but definitely relevant to my career aspirations. My LSAT is 153 and I have LORs from GREAT recommenders that speak to my maturity, personality strengths, professionalism, and advocacy ability in addition to my intellectual ability.

    Nevertheless, I believe I was a bit naive (or overconfident) in my assessment and applied to too many reach schools- thinking my ability to handle a medical school education would win me points. Also, most of my apps went in mid-late Feb (waiting for LORs and distracted by med school rigors) and that above all I regret. Although it was incredibly difficult balancing all those responsibilities and applying to law school, I think I could have pushed myself just a little harder in the app arena had I been socialized and advised appropriately…

    What should I expect? And while I am waiting to hear from the last seven of the schools I applied to, are there any other steps I should take? Truth be told, I met with a UPENN rep and without knowing my numbers, they said offered to pull very heavily for me just off our first meeting. Should I try to engage Adcoms at my top choices? Seeing me on paper just doesn’t do justice to how far I’ve come.


    • Dear DocLaw,
      You brought up a lot of personal information that is really more appropriate for an initial consultation but I’d like to concentrate on your questions in the last paragraph. Since you’re still waiting to hear from schools, communicating with those schools is a good idea. You have little to lose so long as you don’t alienate people. If you’re professional in your dealings, it can’t hurt. Since it sounds like you have a good sense of that from your meeting with a UPenn rep (of course, that rep could be anybody…. not sure whether it’s a student or alumni or the Dean of Admissions from your message) then try making connections at the remaining schools. If you have personal reasons for attending a certain school, make sure to express that. I wish you the best of luck in the current admission cycle.

  144. Justin Y. on said:

    Hi, I have been diagnosed with bipolar disorder. I now work in the human services field (which I think is great law school preparation) after I got better. Should I mention my struggles with my mental illness in the personal statement?

  145. Christal on said:

    Hello, I have a 3.59 GPA and have taken the LSATs twice with scores of 145 and 150. I am wondering if I should take the LSATs again. I have been out of school for a year now. Thanks.

    • Christal, I assume your LSAT scores from the past are both still valid? If you prepared adequately for the 150, and if that’s about where you were hitting on consistent practice exams, then there’s probably not a reason to retake the test. If, however, you could prepare more (and/or more efficiently/productively) then it’s worth a try, but only if you have time to really prepare for it. Good luck!

  146. Ashley Abrams on said:


    I’m about to graduate my undergrad at UCLA with a UGPA of 3.96, I’m involved in some pre-law organizations and have been consistenly scoring 163’s on my practice lsats. I am really aiming for UCLA law school and I know I can get it if I just score a 168 or higher.

    The first time I took the actual lsats I found out i had epilepsy and was put on medication. I’m much better now, but I know if I had a bit more time I could get the score I need.

    Does lsac often provide epileptics with extra time?
    If so, does that affect admittance into top law schools (ie does it look bad if someone gets additional time?)

    Thanks so much!

    • Ashley, If you are entitled to accommodations then you should apply for them on the LSAT. Absolutely. It does not look “bad” and schools don’t have to know the reason for the accommodation if you don’t want to share that information.
      Good luck!

  147. Hi I am a foreign attorney with Masters in International law ( from India). i got a score of 140 and was rejected in the two colleges i applied. and i want to get in to law school to do a JD.i know getting a high score will give me a better opportunity to get in to law school.i am very bad with multiple choice test.. i have abt 8 yrs work exp in top 50 corporate company in legal dept.. is there a way i can get in to law school with this kind of score or would you suggest taking LSAT again?

    June 21, 2010 10:07 AM

    • Hi Roni,
      You’re going to need to re-take the LSAT. You’ve only taken it once (it sounds like) so I would suggest taking a prep course or getting a tutor so you can overcome your difficulty with standardized tests. Many are even quite affordable, and the online options are even quite good.
      Good luck!

  148. Jahniyah Gracie on said:

    I just took the lsat an scored a 142. I have an undergrad Gpa of 2.14 in General Studies. I have worked for the last 2 years for social services. I started a paralegal program and taken 8 credit hours with a gpa of 4.0 from Northwestern Business College. I do not want to be a paralegal, and desire to get into a law school, any law school. what should I do. I would prefer NIU law school.

    • Jahniyah, With your combination low GPA and very low LSAT, I don’t think it’s feasible to be seriously considered for admission at this point. It’s good that you’re getting good grades in the classes you’re taking now, but for that to be meaningful to the schools you’re going to need a strong LSAT to match the recent grades. Otherwise, there are absolutely no credible numbers for a law school to see that will create the impression that you’ll make it through law school.

  149. Mongo on said:

    I don’t know how ya’ll take and retake the practice tests – about as exciting a concept as pulling out my toenails on a regular basis. I took it cold this February and canned a 147 and then again in June (again with no prep) and popped it up to 151. I’m older (40’s) – and took this ridiculous test when I was 20 and scored a 160 (but was still in the ridiculous test-taking frame of mind) and was accepted to 2 of the three schools I made application with – but decided to decline the schools all together and instead enter the workforce using my undergrad degree (Bus Admin – Fin). If I had it to do over again – I would’ve done the law school crapola back then – as the further along one is in life, the more life gets in the way of such pursuits. Hopefully the 151 and good under grad grades (from 20 years ago) along with 20 years of work experience will do the trick because I have ZERO desire to ever again waste 4-5 hours of my life sitting and taking the LSAT. Best of luck to all ya’ll.

  150. Hi, I just recently received my LSAT score and I got a 143. My GPA is slightly under a 3.2. What do you think I should do? What kind of schools would I be able to get in to? Preferrably in the Texas/Oklahoma/Arizona areas…

    • I.N. – I can’t create a schools list in the blog format, but I would urge you to retake the LSAT after some significant change in your prep… That would certainly help….

  151. Greg H. on said:

    Hello Ann,

    I just recieved my third LSAT score it was impressive yet discouraging score 136. I took the LSAT as said above three times; 1st in 2008 of Feb. I recieved a 129, and got encouragement and studied more to take it again only to recieve after 2nd try in Feb. 2009 a 128. As you can see I studied even harder with updated material from Princeton Law Review 2010 Books and recieved a 136 from the Jun. 2010 testing. I have an impressive G.P.A. score of 3.45/4.00 scale after attending an University recieving my B.A. from taking accelerated courses for my major. I would like some help in identifying what law schools will accept me; what must I do to obtain a acceptance letter; how must I get the law school admissions to believe that I am capable of the tasks of law school; if need be would I be able to take the LSAT again next year 2011, should I consider retaking? Please help me out, desperation is calling and I want to complete my journey of my passionate dream to be not just another attorney but an excellent attorney of law. Thank You!

    • Hi Greg,
      First, congratulations on raising your score as much as you did. I think, since you haven’t yet tried applying to law school, I would try a few well placed applications this cycle and see what happens. If it doesn’t turn out well, you can retake the LSAT in June 2011 (for which I would recommend a private LSAT tutor who is an excellent teacher).
      I wish you all the best!

  152. Anne He on said:

    My lsat score is 153 and i came from China. I intended to apply for a law school in Calgary. Is there any hope for me?

  153. Tiffany J. on said:

    Hi Ann !
    I just took my LSATs in June and i scored a 131
    ouch i know
    I am 19 and I was going through a lot of anxiety attacks just preparuing for the tests
    On the day of the exam , my proctor was very rude and gave me alot of problkems
    I inccured so many problems that i was not able to prepare and was not in a peaceful mindset before the test
    I was anxious and stressed out because of what i was going through
    this definately affected me and played a part in hopw i took my test
    i have decided not to retake the lsats in october
    i am only 19 and igradaute next year
    my gpa is 3.8 and i can bring it up to 3.9
    i am an honors student
    heavily involed on and off campus
    i pretty much have everything good (as far as what i need for the admissions process) except the LSAT score
    i wanted to know what schools do you think i should apply to?
    currently on my list is:

    columbia university
    harvard law
    fordham university
    hofstra university

    i want to stay within new york
    i do not want to travel outside

    i also have some questions about transcripts
    i graduate next year (june 2011) with my bachelors in criminal justice with honors
    however i begin the application process in august
    i don’t understand what i do
    my college is on a trimester basis
    i have two semesters left
    the spring/summer semesters begins in late april and ends in early august

    should i request my transcript from the time i entered (fall 2008) to my winter semester (endded in april 2010) ? this covers five semesters.
    and then i upload my official completed transcript next year?

    or do i wait until the end of this semster in august?
    the thing about that is if i wait, my transcripts may take a long time to be processed and i may be late for admissions.

    i am not sure what to do about that.

    could you please give me some advice?
    thank you so much.

  154. Valencia on said:


    I scored a 147 and 145 on my LSAT. I took them in 2004 and 2005. I plan to retake it again sometime next year. I graduated with a Bachelors in Criminal Justice in 04 with a GPA of 2.5 but recently (09) I went back to school and received a paralegal certificate with a 3.9 or so GPA. However, I have a felony conviction from 1997. When I applied to several law schools in 2004 and 2005 I was denied admission. So I’m a little apprehensive of going through the process again but i really want to practice law.

    I have several questions: Can i become an attorney with a criminal background?

    Are there any law schools out there that do student-at-large programs? Or that will allow me to take classes to see if I am fit for their school?

    Where do you suggest I start with my reapplication process?

    How can I make my application better? I didn’t do any extra-curricular activities in college as I am a single parent. I have done a few community outreaches.

    Thank You for your help.

    • Valencia,
      You sound like you need a lot more advice than I can provide without actually knowing more about you. Here are the basics:
      1. The 2.5 is terrible, but you can use your paralegal 3.9 in an addendum to show you’re capable of more when you apply yourself.
      2. The old scores fall off your report – that’s good news. You’re starting from scratch. Do it right and really prepare for the LSAT.
      3. A felony won’t automatically preclude your admission. It all depends on what the circumstances were and how you’ve changed in the decade (plus) since.
      4. No law schools will let you audit courses or “try out” law school. Some schools have conditional programs, but they are a last resort (for reasons mentioned in my book/blog)
      5. Start with the LSAT and see if you can improve, then take a look through my book – I think you would find it really helpful because I address a lot of these issues in great detail there.

  155. Christina on said:

    Hi Anne,

    My dream has been to be an attorney my whole life. I earned a bachelors and graduated with a 3.75. I studied very hard for the LSAT and the day I took the LSAT there were less than optimal testing conditions. The center had so many issues that LSAC sent me an apology notice and stated that everytime I applied to schools the letter would be in my file. With that said my score was a 141. I am no longer able to take the test again because I have to work 2 jobs to save money for school and don’t have the time. What should I do? Since this was unexpected, and I never thought I would earn that score, but it was out of my control.

    • Christina,
      You need to find a way to take the test again. The letter from LSAC is not enough to overcome that score. If this is your dream, don’t let this set you back. Do what you need to do with work and life to make this happen, or wait and apply to law school when you have more time.

  156. Christina on said:

    Thank You for the advise. I have my personal statements ready, and I was scoring 155 before the test. Due to the less than optimal testing conditions and proctors going out of the room I scored less. I have great recommendations, personal statement, and I am a minority. Do you think an addendum would help? I could understand if I just scored bad, but for LSAC to write a letter when eveyone knows that LSAC is very unforgiving means that things were pretty bad. Do you believe I should explain all of this in an addendum letter? My undergrad transcripts even show that I had taken two prep courses the year before the LSAT.

  157. Christina,
    I stand by my previous advice. Having everything else ready doesn’t change my response – you need to retake the LSAT. If you were scoring in the mid-150s on practice tests, you’re selling yourself short by keeping the low score and just relying on an addendum and a letter from LSAC. You need to show the law schools what you can do, then use the addendum and LSAC letter to show the first score wasn’t the right score for you.
    I know it feels unjust that you have to retake the LSAT for someone else’s mistake, but this is your future and how you deal with these bumps in the road is going to dictate your future.
    Good luck.

  158. Kris on said:

    Hi Ann!

    I took the LSAT for the first time this past June and received a 142. I know I could have done better with more preparation. I just wanted to get your advice. My undergrad in CJ GPA was 3.2. I currently work at a Cancer Research Center as a research assistant. I chaired the charter for my alma mater’s chapter of the National CJ Honor Society and do a lot of community service. I was also the VP for my major’s club which in that time accomplished many things compared to previous years, as well as the Student Government Rep for the club. I was in my school’s Army ROTC for 3 yrs with exceptional grades and evaluations, but got out due to personal reasons. The schools I plan to attend are Catholic University, DC and Lewis & Clark, OR. I’m reserved to take the test again in fear for a lower score though I know I’ll probably do better should I study adequately. I’m also from Guam (if that gives you more information to help evaluate my situation). Thank you for your time & help. =)

    • Kris, You do need to retake the LSAT. Your activities are good, but they are not outstanding. You don’t mention your undergraduate school, but your grades are good – better if you went to a respected college. I think you need to prepare and retake the LSAT or you’ll be in for a lot of disappointment in the admission process.

  159. farah on said:

    Hi Ann,
    I took the LSAT three time already and my highest score was 139, my recent score is 138, I was just wondering should I take it again, I called law schools and they say that now law schools take highest scores. my GPA is 3.5.

  160. Ann, I have been out of college for 6 years now, with work experience in sales (marketing/advertising), and for the past three years, medical device sales. I am very involved as an alumnus of my fraternity with many leadership activities/facilitating. I have many awards from work, and from my activities. I now want to go to law school, and have been working hard in preparing for the LSAT in October. However, even with my work/leadership experience, I am concerned that my low undergrad GPA (2.014), and a small arrest record from years ago, kills my chances of being accepted to a law school, despite what I score on the LSAT. With those setbacks, is it even worth applying?

    • Hi Sam,
      You definitely have some things stacked against you, but if you can kill the LSAT you might have a shot at some law school but beggars can’t be choosers – it won’t be a top ranked school. Once you know your aptitude on the LSAT, I can tell you whether it’s worth trying…

  161. Thanks for the comments Ann. I have been studying an average of 2-5 hours per day for the past 3 weeks on my own, and have taken two sample full LSAT practice exams, and I am stuck in the low 140 range… in Sept I will be taking a Kaplan prep course. I don’t know if I am not putting enough hrs in a day, or I am just not studying properly. There are a couple of things in logics that I am having a hard time grasping.
    WIth the LSAT in October (which I plan on taking) 10 weeks out, and with more self-studying and a prep course, is is still worth trying, or do you believe it isn’t worth the time?

  162. Hi Sam,
    Don’t take the LSAT in October if you’re still hitting low 140s in September…. You should begin to see upward progress. I highly recommend consulting with a tutor if you’re struggling. Good luck!

  163. Hi Ms. Levine,
    I would really truly appreciate some advice. I am a B.A May 2010 graduate, 3.55 gpa and LSAT score of 144.
    Due to a series of complicated events (including becoming legal guardian of my sister, as my mother was deployed) I applied late to a 2nd tier law school in NY. This law school, fortunately accepted my application, but I was denied admission.
    However, this law school invited me and accepted me into a program, the program is a year long course in which one retakes the LSAT and takes an intensive writing course. Upon “succesfull completion” of the program (i.e 150 or better and a B+ in the class) one receives automatic adimission to their next years entering class. (One is pledged to enter the law school at this point)
    With this being said, I am also working full time and have recently discovered another law school close to home that has January 2011 admissions.
    My question is: should I take the opportunity with the 1st law school (spend a yr with them) or apply to the other, closer law school, with the same score of 144 (again 3.55 gpa) or should I take the Oct. LSAT and practice on my own, however, this would be limited as I have a full time job and no resources to take a class so I am not too optimistic for a better score.
    I appreciate your response.

    thank you,

  164. Ms. Levine,
    The year long course is twice a week, one weekend a month (they put as it as if you work over 40 hours a week you will not be able to participate) and it is $760….if I complete it successfully I have to go to that law school.

  165. Ms. Levine,
    I work full time so applying myself to a self study course will be a challenge but one I think I can take. In this case, I will decline the law school class offer and attempt the LSAT myself.
    Thank you for your advice.

  166. Hello Ms. Levine:

    I took the LSAT on 10/1/2005 and received a 140. I have a 3.875 GPA as a non-traditional student who was working 50+ hours per week while attending classes. I graduated Suma Cum Laude and I also attended Oxford University in the United Kingdom during the summer of 2003 as an international student earning an A and A- respectfully. However, the 9 law schools that I applied to all turned me down. While working on my undergrad degree, I was a truck drive but have since been working as a Licensing Coordinator at a mortgage company since 2007. I know that if I was given a chance to go to law school, I would graduate near the top of my class. The LSAT was just a nightmare for me since I took two prep courses before I took the test. Since it has been 5 years since I have taken the LSAT, will law schools average my LSAT scores if I retake the test?

    Thank you for your time and patience concerning my inquiry.


    • Emil,
      Good news for you: If you apply after the 5 years is up, then it won’t show up on your score report and is as though it never happened.
      But please, please, please prepare adequately for the LSAT this time and then decide where to apply based on how you do on the test.

  167. Rebecca on said:

    I wrote my LSAT for the first time in June, 2009. Since this was my first experience writing the LSAT, I cancelled my score at the exam. I spent the next year (August, 2009 through July, 2010) in Xi’an, China teaching English at a private university there. I wrote my LSAT in December, 2009 at Beijing and got a 153. I decided to write again and the exam was today. Is my cancelled score counted as one of my three LSAT writing opportunities or would I be able to write it one more time? I would appreciate your advice on this.

    Thanks for any advice you can give me.

  168. Steven on said:

    Hi Anne,

    I have been reading through these comments, and I think I have answered my own question, but could sure use some feedback. In short, I am 30 years old, did very well in undergraduate school (BFA, 3.5 gpa, visual art and art history major), and also have an MFA (visual art, 3.9 gpa) and had a very successful graduate experience.

    So, here’s the rub: I scored a 142 on the LSAT and am pretty bummed (completely tanked the logic games section). I am an excellent writer, have put together a pretty killer letter of introduction and have a solid academic background, but now I feel as though applying to law school might be a waste of time and money.

    I think I could be a pretty interesting candidate to the right school, but am unsure if my score has sealed my fate.

    Would love to hear from you!


    • Hi Steven,
      You have 2 main issues. One of course is the LSAT score. You have got to get that up. The second is that schools will be concerned that both of your degrees are in fine arts so you’re going to have to really show why the decision to go to law school makes sense for you. I’m sure you’ll be an interesting candidate, but you should be aware of both of these issues when strategizing your admission package.

  169. Dustan on said:

    Ms. Levine

    I just received my LSAT score 134 I was extremely disappointed. I have 3.81 gpa at McNeese State University, i will graduate in May 2011 with an undergraduate in Criminal Justice. I was able to obtain my degree in 2 1/2 years taking 20+ hours a semester and 9+hours during summers. I have letters of recommendation from the Department Head, a local attorney/professor, judge, and my boss (Sheriff). I have 15 years of work experience in law enforcement (last 5 years in investigations). I have worked full time while in school along with a family and three children. I have been told my experience, gpa, and heavy course load will benefit me in admissions.

    I am interested in attending Southern Law School, Baton Rouge Louisiana. I am contemplating retaking the LSAT in December and do more prep work for it.

  170. Anonymous on said:

    I have just received the score of my LSAT and much to my dissapointment I received a 149. I had taken an LSAT course and had been scoring mid 150’s on my practice tests up until my test date so it was a great blow to my confidence when I received my score. My GPA is not that great (3.27). My personal statement is fairly strong according to a professional editor, however. (I have overcome several hardships including being a young mother and being adopted) I applied to Santa Clara University and University of San Francisco prior to me receiving my score. Do I even have any chance?
    My alternative would be to retake the course next year and retake the LSAT in June, however that would simply delay law school for a year and leave me with added stress. But at the same time I do not want to attend a “lower” quality school just so that I can begin law school right away. What do you suggest I do?
    Thank you so much

    • Anonymous, I don’t respond to anonymous comments as a rule because it’s too hard for readers to see who I’m answering. I will give you an answer, but can you please repost with a name so that the answer can benefit others? Thanks.

  171. klaudia on said:

    Hello Ms. Levine, I tried to post yesterday but it didn’t go through. Thanks so much for being so helpful to everyone. I bought a couple of books about law school advice but I wished I would have found this site sooner!

    I took a lsat prep course and received a 147 LSAT score. I have a 3.4 average. I want to retake the Feb exam. Should I try to apply now or wait until Feb? Do law schools you apply to early even receive your Feb LSAT score before making a decision? Please help.

    Also, a question about the hourly consulting. Is it done through skype or e-mail? Thanks in advance!

  172. Hi Klaudia,
    I hope you checked out my book! I’m waiting for my 50th 5-star amazon review: )
    You cannot take the February LSAT for fall admission. I don’t care what any law school tells you. You can take February 2011 for Fall 2012 admission, but by March (when your application can be reviewed) law schools are done admitting and already dealing with their waiting lists so there’s not much incentive for them to take someone unless the numbers are high.
    Hourly consulting can be through skype, phone and/or email.

  173. Mitchell on said:

    Ms. Levine,
    I have been out of college for 9 years now, with work experience in commercial finance. I just have received the score of my LSAT and much to my dissapointment I received a 149. I went to two different undergraduate schools in one I had 2.874 GPA, i transfered out of it and was able to bring my GPA at the second school to 3.8GPA. However my cumulative GPA from both is still 3.25. Do I even have any chance on getting int any school in Chicago area?

  174. Hi Anne,

    I am in desperate need of some advice and you seem to be very good at it. I took the Dec 2009 LSAT and scored a 146. I decided to retake them because I thought I rushed into it and knew that I was capable of a better score. I just took the Oct LSAT and scored a 145 and I am really bummed out about it since I was actually scoring in the mid to high 150’s on the practice tests. Should I go ahead and apply or do you think it’s worth retaking the test? Thanks so much! I would really really appreciate your help.

    • Amara,
      Were you able to glean anything from your LSAT score report about why it’s so much lower than your practice scores? I also want to make sure your practice tests were timed….

  175. Whitney on said:

    Hi Anne,

    I have recently applied to several law schools, however I have just received my LSAT score of 148. I was very disappointed because I spent months preparing and payed for prep classes with Kaplan. However, I do have a past of doing poorly on standardized test, I took the SAT twice and did not do so well. My G.P.A is pretty good a 3.82 and I am a member of several honor societies. Would you suggest I send in an addendum explaining my poor history with standardized tests? and do you think I have a chance to get into any schools?

  176. Hi Anne,

    Thanks so much for replying. Yes, all my practice tests were timed. It seems that I did poorly in all areas as compared to how I was doing on the practice tests and I am not understanding why. Maybe I was too stressed in a testing environment vs. the home environment?

  177. Anne – can I add a suggestion for someone like Amara?

    Not quite sure where I picked this suggestion up but do not or at least not exclusively study for the LSAT at your home. You will not have those comforts on test day, it will not be that quiet, and you will have many more distractions. Go, instead, to a coffee shop where there is some hustle and bustle and see how you do. In some ways, doing well with some noise and commotion is going to be great preparation for an LSAT testing center that may or may not be the ideal location. You won’t have the chance to get the ideal location on the day of the test any way, so try to simulate as best you can…

  178. Hello,
    I took the LSAT in October and received a 146 and my GPA is a 3.2. I am applying to New York Law School and I was wondering if I have any shot of gaining admissions?

    Thank you!!

  179. Essence on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I am 22 and I recently got my score back from the LSAT and it was a 144. My undergraduate GPA is 3.5. I have been a member of the Army National Guard for 4 years and am a Commissioned officer. Two months ago my younger brother died. I just want to know if I have a chance at all to get into a law school with these accomplishments minus the low LSAT Score of course. Thank you in advance for your comments.

    • Hi Essence, I’m so sorry to hear about your brother. I think you took the LSAT under less than ideal circumstances and I’d like to see you try again when you are more able to focus on preparing for the test.

  180. Anne, thank you for being straight foward! I guess ill take it over in December and study a differ. way and hope i get a better score and then home some school in NY will except me!

  181. Tniem, thanks! every little suggestion helps.
    Anne, I hate to bother you over and over again but I am in need of some guidance. Do you think I should retake it a third time in February? Would that count as a 3rd attempt within a span of 2 years?

  182. Dear Anne,
    this is my whole deal, i grew up in central america all the way through high school with english as my second language. i took the lsat my junior year thinking that going to grad school in the states was simple… i was wrong. ended up getting the lowest score possible on lsat. so with that said after graduating from a top 20 undergrad college with a (2.75 gpa) i took a 3 month lsat course… in the course i was scoring mid 50s by the end of it… so i was pretty confident that a 159 would be my final score… i guess under the pressure i cracked ended up getting a 136.. Do you think that i should just take a year off and then try again? im scared that with this lsat and gpa no law school will take me even though i am considered a foreign student…. what do you think i should do… i can also take it in december and study this whole month. but im again scared i might fail at this test, its just hard for me to read quickly.

  183. Rosalee on said:

    Hi Ann, I am glad I have stumbled upon your site. I look fwd to looking into you book.

    My mother (age 61) has decided to go to Law School. She has an amazing life story, incredible work ethic and much experience. She has taken the LSAT 2 times in the last few months. Disappointed with her first score of 156 she studied even harder including taking many prep courses but instead of improving her score it surprisingly dropped a few points to 148. Still hopeful, she is now in the application process and has a great resume, letters of recommendations, and essays and such. Being the high achiever that she is, she of course is applying and hoping for acceptance in the top 30 schools.

    I would appreciate any advise or tips you may have that I can pass along to her as she continues to move fwd.

    Thanks, Rosalee

  184. Ms. Levine, I graduated in 2008 and with double major in finance and marketing with a low gpa (2.5). I had a a B average in my last year and half.. I will be able to get very good LOR’s and I have a long community service record also I am a minority. I score in the 150 range on practice tests and i have not dedicated much time to studying yet, but i will for the next 2 months before the Feb. test. I was wondering what you think my chances of getting into a tier 1 or 2 school if i can get between 155-165 on lsat in feb.. Thanks in advance for your time!

    • Carlos, it’s not out of the question! Do your best work on the LSAT, apply early for the Fall 2012 cycle (rather than late for Fall 2011 with a February 2011 LSAT score), and make sure your applications really present your best self.
      Good luck!

  185. Hello, I have a 3.4 GPA and a 141 LSAT score. I want to go get into Stetson Law. What do you think my odds are? Thanks in advance.

    • Hi Kayla,
      According to the ABA LSAC Official Guide to US Law Schools, Stetson took only one person in your LSAT/GPA band. That band includes people with LSAT scores 3 points higher than yours.

  186. I was wondering if I should write an addenum for my low LSAT score, 143 because I am not a great test taker. Also, my undergraduate GPA was a 2.6. I had several issues happen to me in college that lowered my GPA (depression, car flooding, etc). I went to a top 10 school and now I am currently working on my MBA. I have a 4.0 so far. I am applying for admission for Fall 2011 and I’m retaking the LSAT next week in hopes my score rises to the mid-150s. My highest score on my practice tests has been 148. What should I do?

    • Renee, until we know your new score we can’t decide whether you should explain your score or how to explain your score. However, with your GPA and LSAT you’re going to face an uphill battle getting into law school. I truly hope your score rises to the mid-150s. Good luck!

  187. Emanuel on said:

    Hi Ann! I hope all is well.

    I am actually writing to you one week before taking my second LSAT (after three years). I graduated Rutgers in 2007 with a 2.95+ gpa, and the first time I took the LSAT I scored a 137 – obviously, not having studied. I am currently enrolled at the graduate school of education at Fordham, where I hold a 3.8 gpa, and work as a full-time middle school teacher in the south Bronx, under Teach For America. Between graduating college and my teaching career, I worked full-time in retail management. With all that said, I am planning to attend law school this upcoming fall, but feel that my credentials just might not be enough for even tier three or four. I am looking at CUNY Law and Rutgers Law (due to their application consideration of experience over numbers). I am a former English language learner, having been raised in Peru until I was eight, and have never been a good test-taker (with the exception of two teaching tests I took last year). Any advice?

    PS – I was president of my graduating class, and co-president of the Latino student council while at Rutgers – for what it’s worth.

    • Hi Emanuel,
      First, let me wish you lots of luck on Saturday. I’m guessing you prepared this time and I hope you see the increase in your score that you need. I think you have great soft factors (leadership, being raised in Peru) and while having good grades in a graduate program will help show that your unimpressive undergraduate grades are not the best indicator of what you can do in a classroom, your experience as an educator might make people wonder why you’re applying to law school. So, first, concentrate on the LSAT and let’s see where that puts you in range. Then, you can spend December making sure your materials are strong and that you can push aside any potential concerns the law schools might have about your grades and professional background. I wish you all the best!

  188. hi ann!

    i took the lsat for the second time in december and haven’t recieved my score yet. i took it in june and got a 146. i graduated from Binghamton University in 2008 with a 3.2 gpa. I was looking into New York Law school and Cuny. What do you think are my chances? i work at a law firm (for over a year) and the partners pushed me to do this (I also want to be a lawyer just needed the push) and will give me great recommendation letters. Should i retake the test in february if i dont break 150? please advise thanks so much!

  189. Hi Ann!

    I just retook the LSAT last weekend. I wanted to get your opinion. I graduated from Binghamton University with a 3.2 gpa, English major, lots of extracurriculars. I’ve been working at a NYC law firm for the past year and a half and I am very close with all the partners. They urged me to get into law school even paid for LSAT prep classes. However, in June I scored a 146. I retook the prep course and managed to get a 156 in one test but averaged a 151. I am hoping to have achieved over a 150 this time around.

    I am looking into schools like CUNY and New York Law. Not really aiming for the big schools. What do you think my odds are for getting into these schools so far. What if I break 150? And should I take the test a third time in February? Thanks Ann!

    • Hi Carmen,
      You are asking the question too soon. I can’t answer about your chances w/o knowing your LSAT score and a lot more about your background (hard to do on the blog). CUNY is very public-interest, local community focused. If you fit into that mold, then the answer changes. Have you already applied to law school?

  190. I haven’t yet. And what specifically about my background? Is it ethnicity, employment..? If so, I am Hispanic and I’ve been working full-time at a law firm for over a year and a half.

    Also, is taking the test three times really looked down upon? I really wanted to avoid taking it a third time, but I feel if I don’t get over 150/153 I really have no chance.

  191. Anonymous on said:

    Ms. Ann,

    Thanks for your thoughtful advices always! Well, I just got my score and I am devastated.. I got a horrible score of 144. My undergraduate GPA from UC Irvine is only 2.8. I have been working for the last 4-5 years in various fields- was in human resource for a while, then managed my own business, & most recently have been working as a paralegal for the last 1.5 year.. (I went to an ABA approved program and finished with 4.0) Do I have any chance of getting into a tier 2 schools like USD or Loyola? Have you worked with individuals w/ similar specs and have they been accepted? Sigh….or do you recommend that I retake my LSAT?

  192. Larry K Marick on said:

    In May I graduated from U.C. Berkeley with a B.A. in Latin and a GPA of 3.98. At U.C. Berkeley I was inducted into Phi Beta Kappa and Golden Key International Honour Society and have about 6 recommendation letters and 2 LSAC evaluations from various faculty members at Berkeley.

    After six months of rigorous study, however, I took the December LSAT with a fever of 104 and scored a 155. It was sad to see all those months of assiduous study amount to nothing on account of a crippling headache caused by a terrible flu. Should I even bother applying to law school (I was shooting for the top 20 schools) this year or simply retake the LSAT in February and defer my applications to next year?

  193. Larry K Marick on said:

    I am a 24-year-old student of African-American, Cherokee, and Caucasian descent. In May I graduated from U.C. Berkeley with a B.A. in Latin and a GPA of 3.98. At U.C. Berkeley I was inducted into Phi Beta Kappa and Golden Key International Honour Society and have amassed 6 thoughtful recommendation letters and 2 LSAC evaluations from various faculty members at Berkeley.

    After four months of rigorous study, however, I took the October LSAT with a fever of 103 F and consequently cancelled my scores lest the fever should negatively affect my score. After two additional months of study (to ensure that my skills did not fust in desuetude between October and December) I took the December LSAT with (to my luck) a fever 104 F, but allowed the test to be scored this time around; it came out to be a 155 in the 64th percentile. It was sad to see all those months of assiduous study amount to nothing on account of a crippling headache caused by 2 terrible flus on two very important dates (I’m not being jocose: I ran a fever on both administrations). Should I even bother applying to law school (I was shooting for one of the top 20 schools) this year or simply retake the LSAT in February and defer my applications to next year? This score doesn’t reflect my abilities at all as I normally am an excellent standardized test taker who earned a 2300/2400 (lower 99th percentile) on the SAT and a 1550/1600 on the GRE.

  194. Michelle G on said:

    Hi Ann, I took the LSAT for the first time in Dec after self-studying for 6 months on/off. I scored a 144. I have a 3.3 gpa from Penn State, I am an Afr-Am female, heavily involved in the community, and involved in ALOT of orgs. I really don’t know if it’s worth applying to schools this time around, what do you think?

  195. Samantha on said:

    I have a gpa of 3.36 which, while low is still higher than the average person from my undergraduate that is applying to law school. However I have taken the LSAT 3 times, The first time I cancelled the score because I did not feel prepared. The second time I scored a 148 and this December LSAT I scored 155. How will that affect my applications have multiple scores and low schores at that. What can I do to better my chances?

  196. Ann,

    I am a hispanic male that has a honors undergraduate degree in biochemistry (3.6 gpa). I also did a year of organic chemistry research my senior year and wrote a senior thesis. I took a year off to work and decided to apply to law school for the fall of 2011. I took two lsats made 152 on the first and 155 on the second. The lsats aren’t as high because It was a rough year though I lost my grandfather, grandmother’s parkinsons got really bad ,lost my best friend to a battle to cancer, and parent having money issues. What are my chances somewhere like smu, University of Houston, Denver University and the university of colorado? are there any top 30 schools which i should apply to?

    Any help would be appreciated!

  197. Dear Ann,

    Here’s my situation, I applied to a few Canadian law schools (my first choice is McGill, where I got my BA with Distinction in 2009) and my GPA was 3.39. I just got my Dec 2010 LSAT score last night and it was a horrifying 144 (but not so surprising to me because I wasn’t in good shape on the day of the test.)

    The thing is I’ve already completed my applications and I don’t wish to retake the test in February because there’s too little time plus I work full-time and got a huge infection lately so I’m very exhausted. Plus, for schools to wait for my Feb score now would diminish my chances of securing a spot even.

    I have this little fantasy that the schools might value my other qualities from my personal statement (ethnic Chinese with a social commitment etc), and consider the fact that I work full-time at a bank and had to study for the LSAT (i did for 3 months every night from 8pm-midnight plus weekends) so I’m hoping that they would be a little more lenient on me..

    Would love to hear your opinion..many thanks!

  198. Dear Ann

    I took lsat on December and I got 143(this was my second time and I canceled score at the first time. I graduated college almost 10 yers ago and I am international student. My GPA was around 3( my avarage grade is B from high ranked college in japan). I also obtained paralegal certificate from us community college. Is there any chance I can be accepted by law school with this low lsat score? I’m considering to apply for part time program in NY, HI or CA. I think I should retake lsat. However I already take twice. If I take now for 3rd time, it will be the last chance for this year because of limitation of the test taking. What is the best option should I take? Should I apply schools after I retake lsat or should I try to apply for 2011 with my low lsat score now.
    Thank you for reading my questions.

  199. Meenakshi on said:

    I gave my Lsat in December for the first time. I just got my score ,which is 143 . I am looking to apply for fall 2011 , to local schools in Atlanta.

    I have done my Undergrad in India 15 years back and have 6 years of work experience in the hospitality industry.Right now I am a stay at home mom with two kids.I took a prep course before the lsat, but feel I need to increase my speed to complete all the sections on time. I think I can definitely improve my score if I can increase my speed as I have understood the basic concepts of taking the Lsat.

    Do you advise me to retake the lsat in Feb? Secondly, what are my chances of admission in the local law schools here in Atlanta this fall ?Do you think I should defer my application to next year and prepare well and get a better score ?

    • Meenakshi, Since you’ve identified the problem with timing, I think you won’t be able to cure that in the 3 weeks before the February LSAT so you should postpone until June and apply for Fall 2012.

  200. Hi Ann,

    The first time I took my LSAT in feb 2010 I received a 138. I applied to usf and golden gate law school for fall 2010 and did not get accepted. I then took the November 2010 LSAT the second time and received a 145, raising my average score to 142. I’m planning on applying to usf and golden gate again for part-time program. What are my chances getting in for fall 2011? Should I retake the LSAT a third time in February ? I have an overall GPA of 3.2 and went to USF as an undergrad. Should I write an addendum? Should I apply to those two schools again now or wait for my third score to come in?


    • David, I’m glad you were bringing your score up. I still think GG is a reach and USF is impossible, but you’re unlikely to significantly raise your score in the next 3 weeks.

  201. So should I apply to just golden gate and not retake the LSAT in February? I was just giving usf a hot since I get free admissions fee and I have a LOR from a dean there. I’m trying to get accepted to GG an try transferring back into USF?

    Please advise…thanks!

  202. Larry, I think this is life telling you that you need to take a year and regroup. Take the LSAT next October (concentrate on your health, although I’m sure it’s usually flawless) and apply early for the Fall 2012 cycle. Good luck!

  203. Samantha, That’s a very respectable LSAT score. You should have an addendum about the increase and you should apply to law schools that do admit people with your numbers. If you were applying earlier in the cycle, I would be more ambitious with the schools list, choosing more reach schools. But I’ve had many clients with your numbers get into top 50 and top 30 schools (and higher!).

  204. April J. on said:

    Hi Ann,

    Little off subject here but I think it is still a relevant question others will appreciate. I am planning a June LSAT and will apply in October for the early decision (as per you advice) for 2012. I am a 33 year old non traditional student with a master’s degree in Health Administration but am not currently working and enjoy being the stay at home mom at this time. I want to do something productive between now and the application. Would it be an obvious cliche type thing to do if I sign up for the CASA volunteer program now? (I had plans to do it anyway this upcoming new year before I even had serious thoughts about applying to law school) I don’t want to come across as unoriginal.

  205. Hello – I took the LSAT for the first time in June ’09. Score 141. Not a whole lot of study time to be honest and I hoped to do better with a lot more stuyding the next time. June ’10 – same score of 141. I signed up for Dec. ’10. My brother called it the “Hail Mary” pass and he was right. Took an ungodly expensive Kaplan course and tried to use their “method” this time. Dec. ’10 score – 141. I can’t give up. I am going to try smaller schools with that. I am 50 years old and want to make this work. I need a part-time school because I have to work. Southern University is on my list. I would like to get into Loyola of New Orleans and I am also going to apply to Mississippi College of Law. I have a middle of the road GPA from a couple of decades ago but when I took a couple of classes after work at Tulane, I pulled A’s in both. I have two good LOR’s and and pretty good Personal Statement. Fingers crossed and prayers said, I’m going for it.

  206. Hello,

    I am in my fifth year of my undergrad with a double major in physics and political science, a GPA of 3.4, I have only had less than a month to prepare for the LSATs and based on my practice exams…I am fluctuating greatly from 147-157 and I 1) dont understand why 2) dont know if its worth applying…I am in a “now or never” situation for applying to law school, It is January–my LSAT exam is Feb12 and I have all my applications ready just waiting for the LSAT to even hand in my applications ( I couldnt afford the exam thats why I waited so late, also school took up way too much time to properly study–therefore I do not want to pay for the applications unless I have a reasonable shot). I have applications prepared for Tier 1 & Tier 2 Law schools, should I just shoot for a Tier 4 and hope they even accept me? I have a ton of extra-curricular activities, internships in the legal field, etc. My main problem is I am running out of time, my exam is withing 3-4 weeks…what advice can you give me? I am very interested in patent law which is why I think my experience and majors have prepared me for this field, but I do not know how much law schools will see this, if i have a low LSAT…help please!

    • Sobe, here is my advice:
      1. Don’t apply for Fall 2011. Apply for Fall 2012. Why? Keep reading.
      2. Money is an issue for you.
      3. You need time to get your LSAT scores in a consistent range.
      4. If you do well on the LSAT, schools will offer you fee waivers, hence eliminating a lot of the stress you are feeling regarding the cost of applications.
      5. Your applications are more likely to be successful with a higher LSAT score and applying earlier in the cycle.
      6. You are more likely to be offered scholarships to law school.
      I think applying now as a last ditch effort would be a long-run mistake.

  207. Well, the problem is I cant apply 2012 for many reasons, i really want this, and i already paid for my exam. I took the last month off to study for this, I am not looking for the best law school, I am just looking to get into one. As far as fee waivers, they will not allow them–I already asked and since I am still dependent on my parents financially–they say I am not eligible. I feel like I have done so much it would all be a waste now…all my hard work just to put it off for another year? Yes, it is true I didnt study as long as many other students have for their LSATS, but I think I should at least take it…since its basically a lose-lose for me…Either I take it now and do bad, or i never take it again since 2012 is out of the question for me. How many practice exams should i take which have consistent scores, before its good enough to take the actual LSAT?

  208. Shivani on said:

    Hello Ann,

    I graduated from the University of South Florida with a 3.21 and was in the honors college. I wrote a thesis and graduated with a B.A. in International Relations and Economics in May 2010. I was also a member of Phi Alpha Delta.

    I took the LSAT 3 times, 146, 146, and 153.

    I have been working as an Americorps VISTA for since May at a non-profit organization that works with youth development and leadership.

    My top choices would be Northeastern, U of Connecticut, U of San Francisco.

    How can I become more than my numbers on my application?

    Thanks so much!

    • Hi Shivani,
      You have some good things going for you – the thesis will help overcome the lower GPA, and your last LSAT puts you in the ballpark.
      It’s all about your personal statement, resume and letters of rec in terms of being more than your numbers. You need an LSAT addendum to explain how you brought up your score, and perhaps to explain (hopefully) an upward trend in grades.
      I like the double major with Econ. I like that you challenged yourself.

  209. Hi Ann,
    I will be re-writing the LSAT in a few days and I just wanted to get your opinion on my chances. I have a 2.86 CGPA from University of Toronto (Majoring in Criminology). My last LSAT score was 143. However, since then I have been studying and I am expecting a score between 152-158.
    What are my chances of getting into a tier three school ( I’ve applied to New York Law School, SUNY, and COOLEY), with my previous score and my expected score.

    Any reply would be helpful
    – S

  210. Jasmine on said:

    Hey Ann,

    So I took the October LSAT and got a 144 after studying for 4 months. I took it again in December and got the same exact score of 144. My GPA is 3.78, I’m a female, Filipino (first generation American), and I hold top positions in 3 major student organizations at my undergraduate university. I am applying to private school who’s 25% LSAT scores are 147-148. Do I have any chances of getting in?

  211. Olivia C. on said:

    I took an LSAT prep course over the summer and still scored 134 on the Otober LSAT. Took it again in December and scored a 136. I am in the military, a combat vet and cannot leave the DC area. I plan to apply to American, Catholic and UDC part-time law program. My last resort is outside schools such as New England Phoenix and Charlotte. Are my chances slim with the DC schools? Or better yet any school?

    • Olivia,
      I will tell you the same thing I tell everyone with 130s range LSAT scores – I haven’t seen anyone be admitted with scores in your range to an ABA school in a long time. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen, but I do not take on clients with scores in this range because I do feel that the odds are against you.

  212. Tritia on said:

    Good Evening Ms. Levine,

    I’ll do my best to provide you with enough information for you to take your best guess as to whether or not you think I can make it into law school…….here goes……

    Ive already applied but Im looking for some hope and some insight from a professional like yourself. Like most of us here, I don’t do well on the standardized tests. I scored a 930 on my SATs back in 1997. I took the LSAT 9 years ago and didnt do well even though I took an LSAT prep course. I dont remember what my score was…..I think I blocked it out to be honest. I took it again in Oct 2010 and scored a 138. I took ANOTHER LSAT prep course, retook the test on Feb 12 and just got my scores today….141. I am trying to get into an ABA law school where those who apply to the part time program have a median LSAT of 151, 75% is 154 and 25% is 149. Median GPA (again for part time) is 2.87, 75% is 3.21, and 25% GPA at 2.48.

    I graduated undergraduate school in 2001 with honors with a 3.85 in Liberal Studies (Resolving Ethnic Conflicts). I also earned an MA in Political Science in 2005 (wasnt required to take the GRE) and finished it with a 3.3….not so hot…..I failed 2 courses struggling through an abusive marriage (got a divorce) and still managed to finish. I’ve also done 4 years as an Air Force Officer. I’m half Black and half Japanese and I speak Japanese. I also work full time as a DoD civilian, am married, and my husband and I have a 2 year old son.

    I have what I believe to be strong letters of recommendation (1 from lawyer friend, 1 from current supervisor, 1 previous supervisor, 1 from undergraduate professor). I was sure to mention my foreign language in my Personal Statement. I also mentioned my publication for an essay I wrote during my freshman year in undergraduate school. I wrote an addendum explaining my LSAT score from Oct 2010, told “them” that I took an LSAT tutoring course but that score had yet to be released……. I also mentioned my SATs and provided documentation to show my the scores. I also wrote an addendum about my two Fs in grad school. Another addendum I had to write was about a crime I committed 10 years ago…….with misdemeanor larceny, down graded to disorderly, received a “Prayer for Judgement,” no fine. My time as a military officer was served honorably 5 years AFTER that. charged

    So, there’s my application in a nut-shell…….. What do you think? Your time is deeply appreciated.


    • Hi Tritia,
      You have some great things going for you (grades, MA, Air Force, ethnic and cultural diversity, language skills).
      You applied already, and so there’s not a lot I want to say about what you submitted this year. However, if you end up reapplying, I would start by doing the following three things:
      1. apply earlier in the cycle
      2. make friends at the law school and make sure they are rooting for you.
      3. rethink an LOR from an “attorney friend” – unless you worked for him, that’s pretty useless. If he’s a graduate of the law school you hope to attend, he can go to bat with you in other ways.
      I wish you all the best!

  213. David R. on said:

    I am 19 and will be graduating. I took the LSAT and attempted to take LSAT tutoring but was not able to due to Kaplan not being able to send anyone out my way. I took the LSAT and got a 141 but I would like to improve my grade so I can continue my education. Is there anything I can do or anyone who could help me study?

  214. Justin, Ny on said:

    Hi i just received my lsat score of 143. I have taken the lsat twice, the first was cancelled due to nervousness and my second was a 143. However neither times did i study hard because i was receiving practice test grades in the low to mid 160’s. Now i am stuck in a corner of whether to apply to a lower tier school and try my luck or take a lsat prep course and wait another year. My g.p.a is a 3.2 from a very good undergrad college. (College choices-Florida coastal, st Thomas ect.) Also is it easy to transfer out from a lower tier school?

    • Justin, NY: You absolutely must take a prep course, dedicate yourself to studying, and apply for the next admission cycle. Anything else would be short-sighted and self-defeating. I wish you all the best with this, and hope that this second score motivates you to concentrate your efforts on the LSAT.

  215. Drew on said:

    Hello Ann, I graduated from the University of Michigan-Ann Arbor (BA/Sociology; 3.96 GPA) in 2007 and have since earned my Master of Science in Management (3.9 GPA) from Hodges University in Naples, Florida while working full-time. Although I am disappointed with my LSAT score of 148 from February, I’m reluctant to take it again. Based on these merits today, do you think I would be a competitive candidate for admission to any of the 11 law schools in Florida for Fall 2011, namely, UF, FSU, and FIU? Thanks so much for your time and expertise. I look forward to your response.

  216. shayan on said:

    Dear Ann,
    I am originally from Iran, moved to u.s. in 2003, went to law school in iran for a year, took lsat 143 and 145 in feb 2011, cumulative GPA is 3.45, graduated with honors and summa cum laude from chicago university, with alot of work experience. applied to 10 law schools including, john marshall, cooley, valparaiso and nova southern florida, wonder what are my chances to be accepted
    thank you

    • Shayan,
      When someone has already applied to schools, I’m hesitant to post a guess that would only either inflate or deflate your hopes without providing any strategy for success. I think you need to see how you fare and then if you have decisions to make, please feel free to ask other questions.

  217. Concerned in Florida on said:

    I am a non-traditional student who is planning to submit my application for fall admission into the part time program at 2-law schools in the State of Florida. I received my undergraduate degree in 1986. I went back to school in 1997 and received my MBA in 1999 with a 3.2 GPA. I tool the LSAT in February after 1-month of home study and scored a dismal 138. I have been a very successful medical professional so my resume, LOR, and PS are all excellent. My question is whether or not you have ever seen a candidate with this profile gain admission into a part time program in any tier? Thank-you

  218. Tritia on said:

    Thank you for your input, Ms. Levine. You are a blessing to every law-student wanna be! =0) Thanks for doing what you do.


  219. Hello Ms. Levine, Thanks for your work. I am working at getting into law school. It is my hope that I get myself into at least a tier 2 school. Here are my stats. Sept 09 137. Feb 11 139. 31, African American/Hispanic Female LGBT identified.I am interested in going into LGBT Family Rights and Education Policy. I have a strong background in Youth Development as a AmeriCorps Nat’l Fellow and Youth Specialist (both in economically disadvangted w underserved pops). As per my low scores, I have taken Tesing for the Public twice with dismal results, have you heard of it? I do not believe that that my scores match my ability. I am strongly considering spending an additional 2k now on Powerscore to improve my understand of the LSAT. I’d like to have another go at it in June. My question is two fold, do you think it is realistic to think that I have not been prepped enough with the Non-Profit course I have been taking? Also, what score do you think I can get, to get into at least a tier 2; or do you think I should just get in wherever I can work as hard I can to have a shot at a transfer? I am in the South Bay in California as was thinking of applying to GG or somewhere of the like and going in with the mentality of transferring up. Thank you.

  220. Monique Salas on said:

    Sorry to keep adding: my LOR’s are from a Social Worker (I worked alongside him in LGBT rights work in college), A lawyer (I interned in her firm), and professor from college.

  221. Alaskan Native on said:

    I have posted on another part of your website before. My situation was I received a 133 on my first attempt at the LSAT in October and then I retook in December with just a 1 point improvement to 134. I had to take a real long hard look at changing what I was doing. So, I took a prep class in January which was very intense and received a 145. I know that that was not a 160 or anything, but for me to raise my score that significantly I am pretty proud.

    The bottom line is I am an Engineer with a Master Degree in Engineering with a 3.8 GPA, and 10 years removed from Undergraduate with a BA in English and GPA of 2.2. Now I have a LSAT of 145. I work for a Fortune 100 company and have great LoRs and Evaluators. I have already applied to a TTTT school in November that has rolling admissions. They are reviewing my application but the wait is killing me. I guess that it is better to get a slow yes than a fast no. I still hold onto hope that they are waiting to see who else applies this cycle before saying yes or no to the part time program.

  222. Drew on said:

    Ann, your promptness and support are most appreciated. I believe I have what it takes to become an excellent attorney and absolutely nothing will stop me from pursuing my dream. I’d be delighted to keep you posted as to my application results. Best wishes to all others on this blog!

  223. Monique,
    I’ve never heard of the program you used, but I do recommend perhaps a private tutor since you’ve tried the LSAT twice before and (as I understand your message) may only have one more shot at it. If you struggle with standardized testing, the prep course may not be enough especially since you’re already familiar with the content and structure of the exam.

  224. Monique, I should add that I think you don’t have a decision to make about schools yet – you have to bring up the LSAT score before you can continue the discussion.

  225. Monique Salas on said:

    Last question, if I take the test again after the two year period will they still be seen by admissions committees, or is it cleared from my record. The first LSAT was in Sept 09. Thank you. Monique

  226. Riley Reaves on said:

    Hello. I just got my score of 147 back. I did not know I was graduating so early (my counselor forgot to add previous credits) and I took the LSAT without any preparation. I have a GPA of 3.3. Can I get into any law school that is decent? I have a pretty good list of organizational and community involvement. It is March, so should I sit out a year, or try to get into something? I was really wanting to get into Samford; I have family in Birmingham.

    • Hi Riley,
      Your numbers are low for Samford. Since you didn’t prepare for the LSAT, I think you should plan to retake on October 1 and really spend the summer preparing. They put you in the “unlikely” to be admitted category in the LSAC ABA Official Guide to US Law Schools.
      P.S. Birmingham is a great city (I clerked there MANY years ago) and Samford is a beautiful campus. Let me know if you have further questions.

  227. Hello. I am a full time family law paralegal in CT. I’m married and have two children. My first attempt at the LSAT was in 2008. My score was a 144. Although I knew the score was low, I still applied to one law school (a tier 3) with the hope that they would look at my application as a whole and make an exception. I was denied and crushed. Late last year I decided it was time to re-study for the LSAT. I have been studying almost every day for the past few months (I’ve also taken two prep courses), but I feel like I’m not getting anywhere. It’s frustrating to know that this test (which I’m clearly not good at) is going to define my potential as a student. I know if accepted into law school I would work my tail off to do well and graduate. How can I make this known to the law schools I apply to? Also, would it benefit my chances to hire a law school admissions consultant a second time around? My law school options are limited since I cannot leave my life in CT, but would be willing to travel to NY and MA. My GPA is a 3.36 in Business Administration. Also, in 2003 I took a Paralegal course at a non accredited school and received a 3.98 GPA. I’m not looking to go to a top law school. I will take a tier 4 at this point. And I’m not looking to go full time either, just part time. I just want to be a lawyer! Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.

    • Hi Melissa,
      Your frustration is one I hear often and it’s never a fun situation to be in. It sounds like you should take advantage of the free initial consultation we offer because your questions are complicated and also dealing specifically with whether to work with a consultant and what else you can do as a re-applicant. We’d be happy to offer any advice we can.

  228. Monique Salas on said:

    HI Again-
    I am considering going into a Public Policy MA program at Mills before I enter Law School. I am wondering if this will help increase my chances, of course, along with increasing my LSAT score.

    Thank you,

  229. HI Monique,
    IF you need proof of your ability to excel in a rigorous academic environment and if you need academic LORs, then the MA program is fine. But these things won’t make up for a very low LSAT score.

  230. Greg Briskin on said:

    Heck, I took the test the first time in December 2010, made a 137, then took it a second time in February and raised by score to 146. Even though my score is medicore, there are still a handful of T-4 schools in Florida- (Florida A&M, Barry, and Ave Maria) that I qualify for, so I’m happy. The point of this is, if you can scrape half the questions right and pull a 146-149, just attend a T-4 for year, do extremely well, and you can possibly transfer out. All is not lost. I am HORRID at standardized tests.

  231. Greg Briskin on said:

    Drew, I’ll answer your question. With a 148, you have a good shot at Florida A&M and Coastal, and perhaps Barry and Ave Maria. There may be a few others, but I forget them. I’m just stoked with my 146. At least I’ll get in somewhere in Florda, and there’s always the transfer option. Best of luck.

  232. Hi Ann,

    I took the LSAT two years ago and scored a 143 and have a 3.2 gpa. I’ve been out of school for over 15 years and would like to attend Florida International University’s evening part-time program in the fall of 2011.

    What do you think are my chances?

  233. Anthony on said:

    Hello, I have been accepted into 5 schools for Fall2011 with a 146 lsat score and 3.1 gpa. Two of the schools are AAMPLE programs (Widener and St. Thomas), which I turned down. I was wondering if you have any advice on which school to attend; Florida Coastal, Barry Law (fl), or Appalachian. I am still waiting to hear back from Touro and Roger Williams and really want to attend Touro because I live in the Northeast Region do you think I have any chance?

    • Anthony, congratulations on having choices! I don’t give advice about where to attend in the blog format because I don’t know enough about you and your goals. This is something that requires more in-depth consulting.

  234. Mikey on said:

    Hey Ann, First off thanks so much for what you do…This has helped me a bit, but I was wondering I have a 2.7 Gpa from CSUN with a BLAW Major…Took the LSAT’s 3 times; canceled the first one, and 143, and 143. What do you think I should do? I got accepted into UWLA, which is not an ABA accredited school, and got rejected from about 6 other schools. What should I do?? Just go to UWLA and take the baby bar after my first year and tr to transfer to maybe Southwestern or Loyola even?) or wait a year and study more than ever and try to get a higher LSAT score? Any help is appreciated, thanks a lot Ann!

    • Mikey,
      I think it’s unlikely that you’d get a higher LSAT unless you told me you didn’t prepare adequately before. I think with your GPA and undergraduate school and your LSAT score, you’re not going to have a lot of options. By UWLA, I assume you mean LaVerne? It would be unlikely that you could transfer because there’s not a lot to indicate that you’d be in the top 10% of your class. It’s important to be realistic.

  235. Mikey on said:

    By UWLA I meant Univ West of LA San Fernando….I took Princeton Review as a course and studied my ass off in my opinion….You think I may have a shot at transferring from there? Thanks for any help!

  236. Chelsea C on said:

    Hi Ann,
    I have a question. I went to USF and receieved my B.A in Poly Sci and maanaged to pull through with a 2.63 GPA and my highest LSAT score is a 146. I was extremely activate on campus started two organizations , started the progress of bringing academic integrity to the University, etc. My work history isn’t really Law related except for me working in the Judicial Branch of Student Government. The application deadline for the University of Baltimore is on Friday however accorrding to LSAC there is no way I am getting in and I believe there is truth to that since I waited so late to apply. What is your insight on this? Also do you think I should just wait until the next fall term application to open up so I canaspply there ? Because isn’t there a possibility that they could have already filled their seats for this Fall Term? Sorry my question turned into questions 🙂 thanks agains

    • Hi Chelsea,
      You’re not going to get into Baltimore for this year, and probably not for next year unless you retake your LSAT. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!

  237. Shameka on said:

    I have taken the lsat 4 times now with only a score of 143 as my high score. I have a GPA of 3.0 and habe a Bachelor of Science in Biology. Standarizes test are not my strong suit ranging from the SAT-LSAT. I do not perfomr well when given a standarized test. I was wondering if there are any law schools that will accept my low score OR at this point are there any suggestions. ALSO I HAVE TAKEN POWERSCORE TWICE

    • Shameka,
      I think you can try to apply to some schools and see what happens. They are going to be 4th tier schools, but someone might take a chance on you if everything in your application is impressive.

  238. Alesha on said:

    I’m going into my senior year of high school. I’m hoping to become a law student, but I heard that only a small percentage get in to law school I make a 3.0 gpa in high school, and am afraid that even if I excelled in my undgergraduate courses, I’d get denied due to my not so great high school transcript.
    Is there any hope?

  239. Ann,

    I have a 3.4 GPA was a ROTC schlorship cadet for three years until I was medically discharged. I took my lsats twice and my highest score is a 143. I graduated from undergrad in 2008 work for an acocunting firm for 10 month until I was laid off. I was working a bookeeper until I landed a job as a mortgage originator ( i passed the national exam which has a fifty percent pass and 5 state exams) I am currently a mortgage broker and an Underwriter for annuties. Do you think it is possible to get into school without retatking the LSAT.

  240. Kevin on said:


    I have a 3.7 from a Top 50 school and despite my efforts in undergrad, my 159 LSAT score seems to be keeping me from getting where I want to be. After receiving my score I decided that I really want to go to U Colorado Boulder. I understand the LSAT is above my score but what do you think are my chances at admission if I went early decision?

  241. Shelly on said:

    Hi Ann,

    im scoring at 148, graduated with a 3.5, and have several years of work experience at a highly reputable pharma company in their hr department. im looking to get into labor/employment law so my hr experience will most definitely be of use. i have good work experience and while i was in school i held many positions in my student body and other organizations. i also have no criminal record. do i have a chance to get in Rutgers(newark)?

    • Shelly, I don’t answer questions about specific schools on the blog but I will say this – if your practice scores are in the high 140s, you will most likely get in the low to mid 140s on the real test so you may want to consider moving your test date or changing the way you are preparing.

  242. I am a 55 year old black female. After my 2 sons completed their college education, I decided to pursue my dream of being a lawyer and returned to school. I was the first black female in the NY/NJ seaport to obtain a import customs brokerage license. I operate a small import customs brokerage business. I have a B.A. in Accounting with a 3.82 GPA. I took the LSAT 3X. The first time after studying for approx 2 weeks i received a 138. I immediately rescheduled, but cancelled my score. The third time after studying for 2 months I received a 145. Since I do not have the option of re-taking the LSAT, Do you think I have a chance of getting into a New York law school? My first choice is Hofstra Part-Time 2012. My second choice is Touro. My goal is to specialize in International.

  243. Ann,

    I am applying to law schools this fall for next year and will probably take the lsat twice. I received a 3.2 GPA at UC Berkeley and had internships with the Public Defender’s Office in Chicago and Human Rights Watch in Los Angeles along with two jobs at tech companies. Given the low GPA, what would be the minimum LSAT score I would need in order to get into at least one of the Tier 1 or Tier 2 schools? I plan on applying to law school this fall for next year and will most likely take the lsat twice.

    Thank you.

    • Rob, my first concern is this: Why on earth would you plan to take the LSAT twice? That doesn’t sound like good planning at all. You should plan to take it once and do it right. The second concern from your message is your use of the term “minimum LSAT score” – there is no such thing. You can easily look at the 25th percentile LSAT scores for the schools that interest you and you can see (for many schools) a grid of who they are taking at various LSAT and GPA levels in the ABA LSAC Official Guide to US Law Schools (the book version, not the download).

  244. Teresa on said:


    My dream is to get into UCLA, but I am not sure if I have a chance as I know it is extremely difficult and competitive to be granted admission. I am a hispanic, female with a current GPA of 3.7 from California State University, Long Beach. My practice LSAT scores are fluctuating between high 150’s and low 160’s. I have held a job as a file clerk for three and a half years with a family law attorney, but my duties extend beyond that of a “file clerk”, which my employer will be sure to mention in one of my letters of recommendation. Besides this work experience my only other activity is participating in an organized soccer league. I would say for the most part I have a traditional, normal life, but do plan on mentioning the struggles I endured while coping with a brain tumor my mom suffered from during my freshman year of college and how this ultimately affected my entire outlook on life. With all of the above being sad, is getting into a top school in California unrealistic for me? I’m not sure where to set my sights, exactly. Your opinion and help is much appreciated.

    • Hi Teresa,
      You don’t know where to set your sights because it’s too soon to be thinking about this. Concentrate on the LSAT – you still have 5 weeks before the test. Once you have an LSAT score, you’ll know where to set your sights.

  245. Precious on said:

    Hi: Anne,
    Iam 31 years old and I have taken the lsat (twice) one in Dec 2010 (141) and Feb 2011 (144). I was you think I should take it again in Dec for possible admission for the fall of 2012? I have a masters in Communication(gpa 3.3) and a BA in Poli Science (gpa 2.9)I have worked ful-time while attending undergraduate and graduate school. I plan on attending law school part-time as well. Would it look bad if I take the lsat a third time? I believe I can raise up the score by another 10 points. I am planning on taking a test prep course instead of studying by myself. I already know the schools I want to apply to (e.g Brooklyn, Rutgers and Baltimore school of law). I currently reside in NJ. Also,can you suggest any good editing services for my personal statement?

  246. Kaillin on said:

    I’m worried about law school admissions. I’m starting my senior year at Ohio State and I should graduate with around a 3.3 GPA. I took the first LSAT test without a lot of preparation since I ranged from a 152-156 on the practice LSAT’s. The problem is I got much lower on the actual test. I didn’t know that they averaged the scores for the LSAT to get into law school before hand. If I prepare well and increase my score a lot for the next one will I have any chance of getting into law school?

  247. badvegan on said:

    Wish I had been applying back in 2007. I made a 150 with a LSAC adjusted GPA of 3.18 (in texas though i applied for academic fresh start and state law only lets grad schools count the last 120 undergrad hours for admissions – which gives me a 3.92 instate GPA)

    So with a 150 and a 3.92 instate I still didnt get in anywhere.

  248. Krystal on said:


    I have been preparing for the lsat on my own on and off since July but I’m trying to crack down but can’t seem to understand why these answers just arent coming to me. I have a 3.4 at Howard University and I’m a graduating sr I plan to take the LSAT in Oct with hopes of only having to take it once. I just need encouragment preparing for this makes me feel stupid i need help

    • Krystal, it’s not about “stupid” or “not stupid.” It’s whether you are ready to reach your aptitude on the test. There is a reason people use prep companies and tutors for this test – it is NOT something that most people can teach themselves. If you don’t feel ready, don’t take the LSAT. Wait until December, take a good (reasonably priced) online prep program if that’s all you can afford but make it an investment in your future. Take the LSAT once and do it right, rather than having to retake it AND explain why it didn’t go well the first time. Good luck!

  249. Tzion Asher on said:


    I am a 24 year old black male, I graduated from Nassau Community College in 2008 with an associates degree with a GPA of 3.5. Upon graduating, I was proud to receive a half a scholarship to N.Y.U. I just recently graduated with a 3.195 GPA and my major was History Education. I have about 7 letters of recommendation from ex employers, ex teachers my fraternity and my student teaching placements. I am enrolled in a prep course for the Lsat, I began studying August 3rd and i’m really struggling with the Lsat, my practice scores were 134, 134, 134, and 131, I was suppose to take the test next month but I postponed it until December. The instructor said I could take it over again, and he even offered his services as a private tutor, I have been studying anywhere from 23 to 30 hrs a week, i’m a bit burned out already.I know its still early, but in the event I cant raise my score, can I get into any law schools?

    • Tzion, I definitely feel your pain. I think you my need a tutor who specializes in working with people who really struggle with standardized tests. Just studying on your own isn’t going to change anything. I’m glad you postponed until December – that was a good call. You need someone to point out quick fixes. Your goal should be to hit high 140s .

  250. Hello Ann

    I wanted to know if it would be a get idea to take additional courses or obtain a second masters degree to boost my GPA score from 3.0 to at least a 3.7 or better.

    I have a LSAT score of 132 and undergraduate GPA of 3.0 and graduate of 3.0. I have taken two prep courses however still scored low. The instructors rank 99 percentile however, I found that they were not able to teach the information. I was thinking of either a tutor or additional classes. Can you advise

    • Bran, unless you bring up your LSAT score at least 15 points, nothing you do to your GPA would matter. This is the problem with big LSAT companies – they often take people who score well on the LSAT but who have no teaching experience. You need someone who is a good teacher.

  251. Ann

    I’m very interested in getting your advice on what would be my best course of action for ensuring I’m admitted to my first choice law school (2nd tier, ranked in the 60s).

    I’m going to try to not be long-winded, but it’s a long story. I’m a non-traditional applicant (10 years between undergrad and potential law school enrollment). In those 10 years I have been quite successful working in the legal field. I’ve worked in administrative law for 5 of those years and in a civil litigation firm for the other 5.

    My undergrad GPA was around 2.95, but my lsdas calculation is sitting at 2.74. I definitely had an upward trend, with close to 3.4 the last 80 credit hours, and a legitimate reason for the horrible two years that spawned the terrible gpa.

    My most recent LSAT tests range between 165-168, with over two additional months to study, and close to 40 additional practice tests to take, in conjunction with a couple of prep books, I’m hoping to crack 170-172 on the actual test when I take it in December.

    I have excellent LORs, 1 from a former professor and 3 from attorneys that I have worked with. Would you suggest that I alter that ratio and include a second from an additional undergrad professor?

    The other thing, other than the lower GPA, that I am terrified could possibly be a hindrance would be a DUI that I received 5 years ago. This DUI, in in addition to a litany of parking tickets, goes along with a couple of other moving violations sprinkled in there. No serious violations since the DUI.

    Finally, some of the things I think I have working for me include being a first-generation college student and that I came from a very economically depressed area (I’m not an URM).

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

    • Chris, Why does a professor from 10 years ago remember you? That seems strange.
      The GPA alone won’t keep you out of law school but you’ll need to show a turnaround and I’m glad it’s been 5 years.
      If you can really pull off a high 160s LSAT and put together strong materials, I think you could overcome the GPA.

  252. Thank you, Do you think its realistic to boost my score to a 160. I am aiming for a 160. I have a seven month study plan. I think I am more focus now then before.

  253. IF you studied the first time, it’s highly unlikely that you’ll go from a 132 to a 160. I don’t believe in “aiming” since this is about aptitude. I believe in studying your best, getting your best score (which is probably wherever you end up plateau-ing during your studies) and executing at your best level on test day. Whatever that score is, that’s what you strategize around for your applications. But I’m glad you’re more focused, and I certainly hope you reach your goals.

  254. David Crane on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I am scheduled to take the LSAT on October 1st and have been getting 164-166 on my practice tests. I have a 3.9 GPA and LORs from the president of my university and a Senior VP at an economic research firm I interned for (As you mentioned in your book I made sure that they were people who worked with me directly and know me well.)

    I feel I have a pretty strong academic record, but Harvard Law is my dream school. In your professional opinion, what are my chances of getting in if I can’t bring my score up to the 170 people say you need for Harvard?

    Also, I’m pretty young to be attending law school (21). Does age ever factor into admissions decisions? If so does it make you more or less elegible?

    Thank you so much for your help.

  255. David Crane on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I am scheduled to take the LSAT on October 1st and have been getting 164-166 on my practice tests. I have a 3.9 GPA and LORs from the president of my university and a Senior VP at an economic research firm I interned for (As you mentioned in your book I made sure that they were people who worked with me directly and know me well.)

    I feel I have a pretty strong academic record, but Harvard Law is my dream school. In your professional opinion, what are my chances of getting in if I can’t bring my score up to the 170 people say you need for Harvard?

    Also, I’m pretty young to be attending law school (21). Does age ever factor into admissions decisions? If so does it make you more or less elegible?

    Thank you so much for your help.

  256. David Crane on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I am scheduled to take the LSAT on October 1st and have been getting 164-166 on my practice tests. I have a 3.9 GPA and LORs from the president of my university and a Senior VP at an economic research firm I interned for (As you mentioned in your book I made sure that they were people who worked with me directly and know me well.)

    I feel I have a pretty strong academic record, but Harvard Law is my dream school. In your professional opinion, what are my chances of getting in if I can’t bring my score up to the 170 people say you need for Harvard?

    Also, I’m pretty young to be attending law school (21). Does age ever factor into admissions decisions? If so does it make you more or less elegible?

    Thank you so much for your help.

    • Hi David Crane,
      It sounds like you’re doing really well (and following the advice of my book!, which I love to hear!). There is not 170 cutoff for Harvard. I’ve had clients get into Harvard in the 160s, and Yale too for that matter. I’ve had clients as young as 19 get into top law schools – your age doesn’t impact your eligibility but it does put an extra burden on you to demonstrate maturity.

  257. Hey Ann,

    First time poster,

    Any advice you’re willing to offer would be great,

    I got a 154 back in June, I decided to retake the LSAT coming up in a week Oct 1st. I’ve been re-studying for a little over a month. I haven’t really seemed to improve much on my practice tests I’m hoping for at least a 3 point jump in my score. I have a 3.1 gpa from a top 100 undergraduate university. I’m one year out of college that I spent abroad and I’ve decided that it may be another year or two before I apply (earliest start Sept 2013). From what I’ve read acceptance is only getting more competitive. Am I doing myself a disservice by not applying for next year? I’m interested in schools like Pitt and Kentucky which I seem to be under their 25th percentile range. Do I have a chance of acceptance?

    • Hi MD, thanks for posting. If you are hitting in the 153-156 range on practice tests, then it’s probably not worth retaking the exam at this point, especially if you’re not applying for a year. Application numbers are down, and I expect them to stay down as long as the newspapers keep reporting the hiring trends.

  258. Hello Ann,

    I just finished taking another practice exam and continue to be discouraged after the results. I managed to score 138, 141 142 and recently a 136 (which is ridiculous). I am a senior graduating a semester early, (with a workload of 19 hrs). I’ve studied continuously yet I’m not where I want to be as far as this exam goes. I have an undergrad GPA of a 3.4 and working to get a 4.0 by December before I graduate. I’m a collegiate athlete, President of the Political Science Student Association, in countless other organizations, and have done alot of community work, specifically for Latinos and underrepresented minorities in the political system. I possess the credentials to be a more than qualified Law student, and I specifically arranged to graduate early so that I could focus the spring semester getting prepared and acquainted in being a first year law student. However, I cannot grasp on why I make countless mistakes on the exam and literally I feel confident in taking the exam only to be discouraged afterwords by the results. Its unfortunate that so much weight is put on this exam, because it literally in no shape or form defines me as an individual or my intellect. Its cliche to use the “I had to overcome much adversity” phrase, (and to each their own), I but as a Mexican/American I truly had to overcome many obstacles that many take for granted. I have been limited in resources to provide for myself and live on my own. I always knew I would become successful, and now that I am my final stage of my undergrad I have relentlessly found another obstacle that seems unbeatable. If I had the money and time to take a prep course, I would have done so by now. But with all my activities and course load its impossible to get the funds needed. One comment I read earlier in the blog mentioned that perhaps self-study is not enough. I really never thought my technique of studying would be jeopardized by the LSAT, and unfortunately I cannot figure out why. I never really have been a great standardized test taker, but this is an excuse I really never would rely on until now. In essence, my question is should I wait on the exam, risk the early admissions process of many law schools, as well as all the preparations with letters of recommendation etc… or should I just go ahead and take it this Saturday? I honestly felt prepared earlier today, and as the result came in it was a big discouragement.I truly want to go to law school and I know that with an opportunity to go I would succeed. Perhaps by the grace of God and faith, I will do well on Saturday if I chose to take the exam (at least that is what am hoping the praying for). Anyways, I thank you for reading this and the blog is rich in diversity and very interesting to read.

    Thanks, Ann

    • CJ, I really feel for you, and admire your passion and understand your frustration. I think it’s unlikely you’ll be able to raise your score on your own so I think you should take the test and apply to law schools with the best possible materials (and to law schools that take people with your LSAT score, even if it’s not very many) and give it a shot. If you do not get in this year (or if your LSAT comes back in the 130s) then you should spend next year working and take an LSAT prep class – even an affordable one online.

  259. Hi Ann,

    I took the LSAT previously and scored a 143, then took an prep course and it bumped me to a 150 (not what I was hoping for but going with it). I’m 26, African-American female, graduated from undergrad. w/ a dual degree in Public Policy & Advertising (to practice media/advertising/fashion law), I have stellar recommendations including one from the Dean of my program, and moved from MI to NY to work for a corporate law firm.

    Trying to build a strong application package and really distinguish myself from the pack as someone who has wanted to go to law school for a long time. What chance do you think I have at admission to the part-time programs at Fordham, Seton Hall/Rutgers/St. John’s, and day program at Howard??

    I also do a lot of community service work, active in my community, and freelance write on the business of fashion (as I said, I want to practice media/fashion law). Thank you!

  260. Hi Mrs. Levine, I was academically dismissed form law school this past June. This is my background…I am a 35 yr old single, african american mother of three. I took the LSAT twice. My first score was a 141. I took the LSAT a few months after my twin sons died and I was still upset about it. I only took it because I had already paid for it. The following year I retested and scored a 151. My undergrad curriculum gpa is a 3.0 but my cumulative is 2.8. I applied to only one law school and got accepted. I relocated two hours away from home with my children 3 weeks before school started for all of us. I spent my first semester of law school trying to learn the area and getting my children settled into their schools. The second semester I was rocked by some hard news involving my oldest child and it had me really upset. I am still coping with the upsetting news months later. I was dismissed from law school because I did poorly. I did not have the support system in place to help me with my children or the move. I have since established relationships with wonderful new friendsand they help me a great deal. I have a 505 letter from my law school and I will be reapplying for fall 2012. The school that I am applying to has an ave lsat score of 160 and gpa of 3.5 yet I dont feel intmidated. I am currently in the MBA program at the school that dismissed me from their law program and I am doing pretty well. By the time fall 2012 arrives I will only ave a few mba courses left which I could complete in conjunction with law school because they are evening classes and mostly offered online. I said all of that to ask you for any advice that you could offer. I looked at your website and honestly, I cannot afford an official package right now as I am still unemployed and attending school full time. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

    • Tye, As a mom, I can’t help but find your story heartbreaking! I’m so sorry for what you have been through.
      I am glad you are doing well with your MBA program. I think it’s going to be very hard to get into a law school where the entering student profile is more competitive than at a school where you proved (although under adverse circumstances) that you could not keep up academically. Schools are going to see you as a liability, and they will infer that it is unlikely that you will pass the bar on the first try. Obviously, you should try to apply since it’s what you want, but I want to warn you that getting academically dismissed makes it very hard to get back into law school, especially to a more competitive school than where you attended. I do wish you all the best with your endeavors.

  261. Robert on said:


    So I took the LSAT back in June and scored a 156 and then again in October and I got a 150. It goes without saying that I thought I did better, not worse. Moreover, I still don’t feel that either of these scores are truly representative. Nonetheless, I’m not going to take it a third time. I work full time and between the June and October tests I had to take on a fired coworkers case load (I’m a paralegal), which was substantial. I don’t want to blame the lower score on that, but would it be worth writing in an addendum?

    My GPA at Kenyon College is a 3.45 and I’m a white male.

    Thanks for any help you can give!

  262. Ashley on said:

    I just got my LSAT score a few hours ago – 143. I am really disappointed in myself, but I know that I have always been a poor standardize test taker. I tried to take precautions against this by studying alone for a few months before the test under different conditions (timed, untimed, loud environment, quite, etc) and with a tutor one month before the exam. About a week before the exam, I took 2 practice tests and scored around a 152 on both. I’m trying to decide whether or not to take the exam again (considering that all of the improvements that I had made over the months did not seem to matter during the actual exam) or to work with the score that I have and apply where I want. I graduated from Georgia State University with a 3.85 GPA in Sociology and a long history of community service activities (some in the legal field). I really wanted to apply early to my schools, but now I’m unsure. What should I do?

    • Ashley, the answer is “both”. But when your LSAT is a 143 (as you mentioned in a separate post) then you need to look for schools that do admit people with scores in the 140s. But your GPA is very high so that will help.

  263. Annymous on said:

    To say I am ready to give up will be an understatement.

    Graduated in May
    Great LOR’s
    Amazing Personal Statement
    Horrible GPA and LSAT
    2.63 and a 136 Lsat Score
    Should I even bother applying?

    I put in an application for South Texas and Florida Coastal for spring already. What are my chances honestly.

    For the fall I will apply to Southern, Schools in Puerto Rico and Texas Southern. Do I stand a chance?

    Will it help that I am African American and the only person in my family to finish college?

    Please HELP!

  264. Ann,
    I was just wondering how much weight is actually put into LSAT consideration. I graduated with a cumulative GPA of 3.48 and a major GPA of 3.58 in Finance. I currently work as a financial analyst for a Fortune 50 Company. I was a 4-year Varsity athlete in college as well as a member of the pre-law society and investment club. Also, I tutored freshmen my senior year and am a member of Delta Mu Delta (National Business Honor Society). I prepared for months using the Kaplan course and only scored a 147 on my LSAT. I am looking at schools whose 25/75 LST breakdown are between 152 and 157. Does it sounds like I have a chance given my low LSAT score?

  265. Hi Ann,

    I am a senior at Heidelberg University in Ohio. I got a 156 the first time ever taking the LSAT, and I plan on taking it again in February. I am a Biology and History double major in the Honors Program at my school with a GPA of 3.28 overall, 3.65 in history, and 2.83 in Biology. The block GPA for my Honors Program is a 3.45. I am a member of Phi Alpha Theta (the history honorary), was a member of Student Senate with an executive position, and am the recipient of several research grants at my university (mainly for my Senior Honors Thesis). I have great letters of recommendation from my professors, mostly department chairs and deans. I also have various other extracurriculars like volunteering at the Humane Society and working in the admissions office. I’m really concerned about how low my LSAT and my GPA are, my cousin and uncle are both lawyers in California and have put the fear of God into me about anything lower than a 160. Do I have a realistic chance of getting into my top choice law schools (Akron and Pittsburgh for Intellectual Property Law)?

    • Hi Katie.
      I don’t think 160 is a magic number. That doesn’t make sense to me. You never mentioned whether you think you could improve your score by retaking it, but if not then I think you need to apply based on what you have, present yourself in the best possible way, and see what happens.

  266. Anonymous1 on said:

    Hey Anne,

    The December test is coming up in about 3 weeks. I have taken a prep course and am still locked into this 147-149 LSAT range. My GPA however is ~3.65 majoring in Poli Sci and minoring in Human Rights from The University of Washington. I have already submitted my applications to law schools; the last thing on my list is the December test. However, I am white, female, not an under represented minority in any way and am applying late due to the test. I am also applying right out of undergrad. I’ve applied to places like Southwestern University, California Western University, Willamette. Do I have a shot at getting into these schools? Would you suggest calling the schools and setting up meetings with the advisors to talk about my scores after I get back the results from the real test?

    • Anonymous1 – Without your actual score I can’t answer the question. Most people score lower on test day than on practice exams. However, setting up campus visits is a good idea, but I would wait until you have the LSAT.

  267. Anonymous1 on said:

    Also, should I apply elsewhere? I am really set on staying on the west coast, but do these numbers suggest that I should be more opened minded about location?

  268. Hello Ann,

    Thank you for providing this very informative blog.
    My question is: Do you believe I have a chance at Fordham Law, Cardoza or Brooklyn Law with an LSAT score of 145. My GPA is 3.49 (Cum Laude). I will be taking the December LSAT test – 1st and ONLY time I plan on taking it. I’m over 35, a mother and cannot leave NY state. Therefore, I am adamant about going to law school in Fall 2012. I’m just very anxious because I have been scoring in the high 130s on my practice test and my highest score has been 145. Do you think it makes sense to invest the time and financial commitment to law school with this score range? I welcome your sound, sincere and positive advice!!

  269. Hi Ann,

    I am a 30 year old minority female and I am battling with re-taking the lsat in December or not. I scored a 144 on the October test and my udergrad GPA was a 2.9 (Accounting). I have over 5 years of solid work experience with a reputable NY based firm. I also have excellent letter recommendations from experienced attorneys in the NY area. However, I was extremely relaxed on test day and can not imaging my score improving much in 2 weeks. Would love to hear your thoughts… Thanks!

  270. Stephanie on said:

    I have a 3. 99 gpa so far at st John’s university, I am a senior and will graduate next year. I got a 152 in the October LSAT exam. I would like to know how far I can go with this combination when it comes to schools. I wanted to go to a t30 but I am not sure if that is possible considering my low LSAT score…..

    • Stephanie, it really depends on the person and the schools. I’ve had people with that number combination get into top 30 schools but they are the exception, not the rule. I just don’t know enough about you to say whether you fall into that category.

  271. Dear Ms. Levine,

    I would like some advice on my application cycle this year. I have taken the LSAT twice and scored 163 on both of them, which I realize is not bad for 30-50 range schools. However, I have been pushing for Berkeley or UCI as dream schools, or GWU and Wash U could also provide the resources I consider necessary, given the expense of law school and the tough legal markets today.
    My gpa is good, 3.78, (Rhetoric; Law, Pols, Society double major at Drake U in Iowa). There is a definite upward trend. I started rocky in JuCo, eventually working my way up to a 3.5 with time. However, I have only received one B since transferring to a private college here in Des Moines and have worked extremely hard to show I am a good candidate, academically prepared for a rigorous top school. Unfortunately, I fear the GPA is not good enough to compensate for LSAT. I do have decent soft factors, which I am hoping you will tell me might mitigate that LSAT somewhat. I am in all the honors programs, work as a consumer protection intern with the AG, volunteered as a precinct captain and youth organizer on Obama’s campaign, currently am a research assistant to my adviser, and have presented a paper at a conference at a uni in Texas.
    My LOR’s are excellent. Two from professors I consider close friends and mentors and one from the AAG here.
    Do you believe that with a sincere, well-written letter playing to my strengths I have a shot at pulling off a Berkeley miracle, or even gaining acceptance to any t-20 schools, or do you think that I should try to take a year off and hope that the third time I take the LSAT is the charm? Money is certainly a factor for me, as well, because I am an independent in undergrad and receiving maximum aid, but read on the Berkeley website that I must be 30 to be counted as independent in law school. If you could address the financial aid question as well, that would be helpful, but it isn’t necessary. I am sure I can find a way to pay if I can land a spot in one of my dream schools. Thank you so much!

    • Hi Derek,
      I think you need a 2-pronged strategy: (1) apply to dream schools where it’s possible you’ll get in but won’t get scholarships, and (2) apply to schools where you will be competitive for scholarships.

  272. Dear Ann,

    I seek your frank advice about my situation for this cycle’s law school applications. I have a 3.92 gpa at Chapman University, but I have a low LSAT score of 156. I will be mentioning in my applications that I generally do not do well on standardized tests and have proof with my SAT and ACT scores to show that these scores do not exemplify my true academic ability. I do not have time to retake before this year’s application cycle, but would retake if I got the Fulbright Scholarship to do research in China (I turned in my application last month). I am in many honor societies, am on the exec board of many clubs, studied abroad in China and did a legal internship there, and am currently a legal assistant at the Orange County Public Defender’s office. Can you tell me what are my chances for Tier 1 law schools, mainly UCLA, USC, UC Davis, and also UC Hastings? Also in your opinion, what schools would give me more scholarship money and possibly full ride scholarships (they just need to be ABA-accredited)?

    • Eva, You don’t have a low LSAT score. You did better than about 2/3 of the people taking the LSAT. You might not be happy with your score, but that’s a different story. I can’t comment on schools and scholarship chances on the blog format but I do think you are likely to get into reach schools with a strong application and that other schools may offer you scholarships.

  273. Hi Ann,

    I am in my mid-40’s, african american, lack-lustre undergrad GPA of 2.9 and LSAT score of 140! It is my dream to attend (and graduate) from Law School. I have a pretty extensive career in law enforcement. I am not concerned with which law school I attend-I just want to go. What are my options?

    • Kim,
      It’s going to be rough, I’m not going to lie here. I think you should look into state bar accredited schools if they are an option in your community. I also think you can try applying to some fourth tier schools but know that some of the schools that often take people with your LSAT score don’t have the best attrition rates (as in, people are doing the “attending” part of your dream but not the “graduating” part). You can also consider retaking the LSAT of course.

  274. lauren sapp on said:

    I just recently graduated from LMU in 2011 with a 3.5 Cumulative GPA (Cum Laude) and received a 153 on my LSAT from the October 2011 exam. Loyola Law School is my first choice and I would give anything to attend. I have already registered for the December 2011 test to hopefully receive a higher score to make me more competitive. However, since Loyola Law School is my first choice, if I apply to the binding Early Decision program would that increase my chances? I have received scholarships from LMU, participated in many extra curricular activities, and have letters of recommendation from the Chair of the Communication Studies department and from the Associate Dean of the Bellarmine College of Liberal Arts. The application for Loyola Law School is due February 1, 2012 and I fear that turning in my application in January might be too late. Any advice is much appreciated as I will need to make this decision very soon. Thank you in advance for your help.

  275. Tfaison on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I have a 147 LSAT score from the october test 2011 and a 3.43 GPA from drexel university undergrad and a 3.71 from Drexel Master of education program. I have a criminal record but no felony convictions. Should I re-take the test in December 2011. Or should I wait to see if any law schools accept my application.

  276. AmbitiousGirl on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I’m obsessed with your blogs! There extremely helpful! Myself, like the rest of the potential law school students scored a 145 on the October 2011 LSAT! I have an undergrad gpa of 2.96 but lsac calculated a 2.8 with the online bio class I took at a community college. So overall I have 2.8. On November 11, 2011 I applied to Thomas Jefferson, Western, Florida Coastal, A&M, St. Thomas(fl, Valpo(Indiana), Charlotte, Whittier & Cal Western as my reach. I’m very realistic about which schools I have a shot at & after taking the lsat I broadened my selection. I’m not good at standardized test. My question is do I have a chance of getting into any of these law schools?

    • Hi Ambitious Girl, Glad the blog is so helpful to you!
      You picked schools that are reasonable so if your application materials are strong and you have other strong factors in your background, it’s not completely out of the question. The next thing you’ll need to address is how you’re going to make sure that you can succeed once you get there – start working on study skills, writing, etc.

  277. AmbitiousGirl on said:

    I forgot to add that I interned at the district attorney’s office & at a family law firm. I have a solid PS & letters of rec! 1 from a professor & one from the attorney at þhe family law firm. I’ve also worked full-time hours my entire undergrad to help support my family! & I’ve also written an addendum as to why my grades suffered in undergrad due to having to work full-time hours to help support my family!

    • AmbitiousGirl, The working full time during school is the most persuasive. Everyone thinks they have a “solid” PS, no one purposely submits a junky one…but i certainly hope yours is fabulous!

  278. I took the October 2011 Lsat and scored a 147. My GPA is a 3.83 I’ve signed up for the Dec 2011 to retake. If my score stays about the same do I have a chance at a top 100 law school. If not, what score would I need to have a to have a good shot.

    • Arthur, take a look at the schools you are targeting and look at the 25th percentile LSAT number for a good indication of where you would need to be to be competitive (given that your GPA will be above the 75th percentile for most schools).

  279. Hi Anne,

    I scored a 144 in Feb 2011 and 149 in October 2011. I am signed up for Dec and will hopefully hit my practice test range of 153-157. My GPA is a 3.2. I worked with Jocelyn and she was great! I live in NY and was hoping to attend Pace or NYL although my out of reach school would be Hofstra. Do you think these schools are unrealistic?

    • John, I’m so happy you had such a good experience working with Jocelyn. Isn’t she fabulous???? Love her.
      Ok, if your practice test range proves true you have picked realistic schools based on the little bit I know. Good luck this weekend!

  280. Anonymous on said:

    I am a 24 year old african american female looking to attend an ABA accredited law school part time. I graduated from UCR with a Bachelor’s degree in economics while being a full-time student athlete all four years (scholarship). My end GPA was a 2.33 and I took the LSAT and scored a 142. Since graduating, I’ve been working full time in a management position with a well known company. I don’t have the financial resources to take an lsat course and am trying to avoid having to take the tesgt all over again. I didn’t do well on it (feb 11) because I didn’t have time to study properly for it and underestimated the time-constraints going into the exam. What are my chances of getting into ANY aba accredited law schools here in southern CA with such a low lsat score and gpa? I was raised by a single parent and there were times we didn’t have food or lights and I’d be doing homework as a child by candlelight. Any feedback would greatly help my indecision at this point. Thanks!

  281. Hopeful on said:

    I am a 24 year old african american female looking to attend an ABA accredited law school part time. I graduated from UCR with a Bachelor’s degree in economics while being a full-time student athlete all four years (scholarship). My end GPA was a 2.33 and I took the LSAT and scored a 142. Since graduating, I’ve been working full time in a management position with a well known company. I don’t have the financial resources to take an lsat course and am trying to avoid having to take the tesgt all over again. I didn’t do well on it (feb 11) because I didn’t have time to study properly for it and underestimated the time-constraints going into the exam. What are my chances of getting into ANY aba accredited law schools here in southern CA with such a low lsat score and gpa? I was raised by a single parent and there were times we didn’t have food or lights and I’d be doing homework as a child by candlelight. Any feedback would greatly help my indecision at this point. Thanks!

    PS I decided to repost under an alias so that people would know who you are talking to.

    • Hopeful, you have a great personal story but you need an LSAT score and/or academic history that shows you will be able to compete in law school. You absolutely need to address the issue of your LSAT score since it’s the biggest ingredient still within your control. You need to invest time into preparing for it, and self study isn’t going to work for you. I wish you all the best! And thanks for reposting with a name!

  282. Help!!! I took the LSAT in oct and did horrible (137). All my practice tests have me mid 140’s with a couple high 140’s. I was scheduled to retake the LSAT in dec but true to form, I was told at the last minute I have to work sat. I’m in law enforcement (8 yrs), Im about to retire from the Marine Corps (9+years active duty with combat tour), undergrad in CJ (3.25 gpa) and an MBA (3.4 gpa). I think im very competitive with the exception of my LSAT score. What should I do? I am simply not good at test taking. I never have been.

  283. Hi Anne,

    I just wanted to start off by saying thank you for patiently answering so many questions on your blog and taking the time to do so. It’s 5 am and 2 days before the Dec 2011 LSAT. and I AM FREAKING OUT. Let me give you a quick background, so maybe you can give me a few words of encouragement or douse me with some harsh reality.

    BACKGROUND-I am a 25 y.o. Asian female who experienced SO MUCH adversity in my young life that many who know my stories state I could write a very compelling best-seller,something that could even rival “A Child Called It” (must read). Things such as extreme physical abuse, harassment, mental/emotional abuse, depression, moving back and forth from the country where I was born to the US since I was 10, etc. So, suffice to say, I went through an uphill battle growing up, especially during college.
    GPA-Unfortunately, I dealt with all the issues immaturely during my first 2 and a half years of college. (I didn’t deal with the issues during h.s.since I focused all my energy on getting straight As and orgs and sports)This greatly affected my GPA. When I finally shaped up and sought some help, I got back all the great grades…even made Dean’s List my last 2 years. However, my CGPA has suffered (3.1). My undergrad GPA within my major is at 3.9, all throughout the time I worked at a bank, did my internships, and taking 15-18 units. I regret it, but it is what it is.
    LSAT score- I’ve always been a great test taker, with the EXCEPTION of the LSAT. I don’t know if it’s a mental thing and I am psyching myself out, but for some reason the highest score I ever got has been 147. I took the LSAT the first time (with a fever and at least two of the issues I mentioned above) in 2009, but cancelled it not wanting to find out how badly I must have done. I am finishing up the prep course tomorrow and have studied SO HARD since OCT and my score started with 147 and I’ve averaged at the 140-142 for my practice exams.
    -EXTRACURRICULARS: Despite all the trials I experienced, I managed to work throughout school. I did two internships in college (one with JusticeCorps / AmeriCorps program and the other through my university’s poli sci department Judicial Internship.
    -EXPERIENCE:After graduation, I was set on gaining some more experience before law school so i landed a job at a civil litigation subrogation firm for a year as legal secretary/collector/court filer. Afterwards, I was hired (and still currently working) for a HUGE network/broadcast corporation to work as a paralegal “contract paralegal” (mainly transactional). I’ve worked with top Senior VPs and Execs and the general counsel of the legal department for the corporation who have encouraged me to continue pursuing law school because I have “what it takes” and I really know the realities of applying the law. Suffice to say, my experience is something worth talking about.

    so…with that said and done..I have studied my butt off for the Dec LSAT and really want to take it, but with everything combined..I have no idea if I should even take it. I am scared. I’m frustrated. I’m sad. I’m despondent. I’m everything under the sun, BUT happy. ALL I WANT IS TO GET INTO LAW SCHOOL. Before, I cared what school but at this point, I just want to get in. And I know I am the one person that , if accepted, will be the surprise of the century since I will pull all stops to stay in, succeed, and excel.

    I just don’t know what to do at this point….Take it this Saturday or wait til February-when it’s probably the worst time to apply .

    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE HELP..I am so desperate.and I NEED some, ANY, sleep. (I have been agonizing over this for the past week and have not slept well at all). Any solace for me in the next 12 hours?

    Also, any add’l advice or suggestion would be great.

    Thanks so much and I apologize for the length.I have nobody else to go to, who will understand. Thank you…

    • MEgB.,
      I definitely hear your frustration and call for help. I assume you took the LSAT yesterday. I think you need more preparation (but it’s hard with a full time job, I know). Could you retake in June and take some vacation time to prepare beforehand?

  284. Ann-

    Hi there. I am planning to take the lsat this Saturday but am fearful that I will score as my practice tests at mid 140s. Is it an option to retake it in February despite my full time job? I have lots of experience that can compliment the score and my gpa is 3.25. What are my chances in getting into a school like Wash U Stl as underrepresented women of color?

  285. America on said:


    I’m wondering what my chances are in getting into a school like WashUStl with a gpa at 3.25 and scoring 140s in the lsat practice tests. I feel that I do have a strong personal experience.

  286. I am currently signed up to take the December 2011 test, however I am only scoring in the low 150 range on practice tests. I feel like I could benefit from postponing my test to studying more. I only say “feel” because I definitely did not give studying for this test 100% as I should have. Being realistic though and being true to myself, I don’t know if I would be able to give 100% on this test.

    Would you recommend that I do this, or should I just bite the bullet and take the test because I could always take it multiple times? Thanks in advance.

    • Hi Peter. If you feel you should’ve done more to prepare, and you would dedicate yourself to adequate preparation for your future LSAT, then you should cancel and take it again.

  287. Hello,

    I am taking the LSAT tomorrow for the 2nd time. My first score was a 145. I took a prep course twice and although I feel like I’m in a better place now than the first time, I can’t help but to feel like I’m not where I would like to be. I graduated college with a degree in Philosophy and Spanish with an emphasis in Translation/Interpretation – my cumulative GPA was a 3.505. I am now working as a translator for a non-profit mental health clinic for children and as a legal assistant to business law attorney. There are so many different takes on whether I have a chance of getting into the “big schools” (USC, LMU, SW, UCLA, etc.) based on my first LSAT score and I know that in this blog you mention a few of your students who didn’t have 170’s and still got into good ABA approved law schools because they explained that they were more than just their LSAT scores. How exactly did they go about doing that? Are there any samples available?

    This particular blog truly brought a little bit of hope back into this whole mess. Highly appreciate it!

    Thanks in advance!

  288. Mohammad on said:

    Hi Ann,

    Sorry if I just drag on, but I am really frustrated, so please bare with me. I am a senior at UIC. My initial major was biology my first year, but I did bad my first fear because I didn’t know how to study. I could’ve stuck with it, but I decided not to, which I regret a lot. So I changed my major to economics sophomore year, and my GPA is not that high: around 3.10 overall, 3.23 in major. It should increase a little this semester because I am expecting 3 A’s, and hopefully in in the spring semester I can raise it up even a little more. Now, as for the LSAT, mannnnnn! I don’t know what to say or think? I practiced for the last couple of months, basically focusing on the logic games for the most part in the beginning, in the last few weeks, the rest of the test. I used so many prep books and did so many practice test, but I just can’t seem to get it. I did mostly untimed practice, but I did do a lot of timed ones too,just not really the whole test in one session. Sometimes I do decent and other times I don’t. But when I do alright on individual parts of the test, it’s because I took up so much time. As much as I try, I can’t work at a fast pace. It’s just not me. It’s been like this with me since elementary school when I took standardized tests. And today, I took the LSAT for the first time, and it definitely did not got well. I know for sure that I am getting a low score. On my practice prep test, one time I got like 150, but I AM DEFINITELY going to get something like in the 140’s, probably even more like 130s, on the REAL test I took today. I know for sure because I ran out of time on every part of the test and had to guess like at least 10 answers on on the reading comprehension part. I am thinking about taking it in February again , but as I said, I’m a senior. What should I do? Can I still go to a middle tier school? And IF i can and do extremely well in law school (and I will study very, very much), can I get a very decent paying job straight out of school. Because I am also worried with this economy, as I have read many people’s experiences with not being able to get a job at all after law school. What should I do given my LSAT test. PLEASE HELP ME! Thanks.

  289. Hello ann,

    I am writing to ask for some advice. I may be interested in your services as well so please send me a private email also. I am senior double major on finance and economics with a minor in leadership studies at very good Jesuit undergrad. I have a undergraduate gpa of 3.48 and have worked for three years as a student ambassador to the United States Department of Energy. Over 600 DOE summer interns apply while only 6 are selected each year. I represent the entire west coast. I also worked/interned at the following: BDO USA (top 5 accounting firm), Office of river protection finance department( in charge of the largest construction project in the world for the us government),
    as well as the pacif norwest national lab financial department ( largest in the
    world). My issue comes, as with many people, in the form of the LSAT. I took the LSAT in October with little practice and scored a 145. I hired a private tutor and took a prepcourse and had practice lsats of 154,166,166,171 in hopes of doing well on today’s test. Unfourtantly, i don’t feel as though today went to great :(. I have always wanted to go to boston. What mighty chances of Suffolk or new England be with say 149 etc? I have lor from the head of the doe, and two professors. Again, I reallllyyyyy appreciate your help

  290. Mohammad on said:

    Hi Ann,
    Thanks for your reply. So you think I should cancel it even if many of the schools I’m applying to accept the highest score?


  291. Hi Ann,

    I took the LSAT and, like many others, didn’t do great. I scored a 140 and my undergrad gpa at LSU was 2.65. I transferred colleges because I had no clue what I wanted to do or where I wanted to attend. When I realized that I wanted to graduate from LSU, I dug my gpa from the trenches by scoring no lower than a 3.0 for my final 2 and a half years there. The reason I decided to try and raise my gpa was the fact that I want to go to law school. I am enrolled in a Princeton Review Class beginning December 17, so hopefully this raises my LSAT score up between 7-11 points. I live in Louisiana and there are 4 law schools here: Tulane, LSU, Loyola in New Orleans, and Southern in Baton Rouge. I’m willing to concede that Tulane and LSU are a bit out of my reach as both my LSAT and gpa are not strong. Any advice on calming my nerves for the LSAT? Any advice on taking the test such as keywords or phrases to look for in the answers? Do I have a shot at either Loyola in New Orleans or Southern in Baton Rouge if I were to raise my LSAT, let’s say to a 145? Thanks.

  292. Malik Talahsi on said:

    Hello Ann,

    My name is Malik, I am from Africa. I came here when i was in high school and i graduated from Touro College last year. I became a cop but I decided that I really want to be a lawyer. My GPA was a 2.3 but I believe that because I am black, it can help me. I just got my october lsat score and I got a 133. Can I still make it into Harvard or Yale? I know they want a mix of people and there are not a lot of black people. Do i have a chance? Thank you

  293. James Falwah on said:

    I am so happy to speak to you. I like to go to law school. I found your website online after looking for law reviews. I noticed that you say 130 is low on lsat. What if you are african american? I also did very well in college. I graduated 3 years ago and got a 3.0. I am now 30 and i have 3 kids. What school can i get in?

  294. Hello Ann,

    I have a low 2.87 GPA in Business from Marist College in Poughkeepsie, NY, 162 LSAT a solid Personal Statement. Do I have a shot at Fordham? What do you think the highest ranked school I can get into with my stats?

  295. Hello Ann,

    I have a low 2.87 GPA in Business from Marist College in Poughkeepsie, NY, 162 LSAT a solid Personal Statement. Do I have a shot at Fordham? What do you think the highest ranked school I can get into with my stats?


  296. Christy S. on said:

    Hi Ann!

    Do honors programs and thesis defenses help out applicants typically, or are they just simply a resume fluffer for law school applications? I just presented mine to the Psych committee at my university (Large Public Research University in Illinois) and I was just curious since I know that only seven Psychology students this year are working on one, and one in every twenty students that go to my school are Psych majors. The departmental honors program at my school for Psychology typically refers to the senior thesis as a “mini masters thesis”

    I have no idea how much it would help out anyone, but I was just curious from other peoples’ experiences if you know of any?


    Christy 🙂

  297. renita on said:

    Hi, Ann
    Took the lsat twice. First time lsat 136, 4 years ago. This time lsat 132. 40 year old female African American, over 10+ years legal experience, community service, undergrad 2.9, over 5 years ago grad school 3.8 worked full-time while attending both schools.

    Is there any chance this can be addressed in an addendum and any schools that would accept me?

  298. Lauryn Boyd on said:

    I took the LSAT about 4 yrs ago and scored a 136. Took the Oct LSAT and scored a 132. My UPGA is 3.0 and Grad School is 4.0. I’m a 40+ year old female African American with over 20+ years legal work experience and community service.

    I’m not a good standardized test taker at all.

    I will address this in an addendum. What are my chances of getting in with schools looking at the entire package and not solely my LSAT score?

  299. Hello Ann,

    Thank you for providing this very informative blog.
    My question is: Do you believe I have a chance at Fordham Law, Cardoza or Brooklyn Law with an LSAT score of 145. My GPA is 3.49 (Cum Laude). I will be taking the FEB LSAT test – 2nd Time. I’m over 35, a mother and cannot leave NY state. I am adamant about going to law school in Fall 2012. I’m just very anxious because I have been scoring in the high 130s on my practice test and my highest score has been 145. Do you think it makes sense to invest the time and financial commitment to law school with this score range? I welcome your sound, sincere and positive advice!!

  300. I strongly suggest reading ‘ The Affirmative Action Hoax” by Steven Farron if you want to learn how the top Law schools and Medical school have been admitting students (some with very low LCAT and MCAT scores) over the past thirty years. This book is eye opening.

  301. Hi. I am an african american female. I took the lsat in October and scored a 150, then I retook it in December and scored a 151. I graduated last May with a BS degree in biology with a 3.47/4.00 gpa. I really want to go to UH to study health law. I am worried that I will not get in because my lsat is so far below the median. They do have a part time program as well, and I am wondering if I should apply to it instead of the full time program. What do you think are my chances????

  302. Hello. I am an african american female and I graduated last May with a 3.47/4.00 gpa in biology. I took the LSAT in october and scored a 150 then I retook it in December and received a 151. I really wanted to attend UH law center in Houston and study health law. Do you think I have any chances of getting in with my lsat score???

  303. Hi Ann,
    I graduated from undergrad last fall with a 3.01 gpa. I have taken the LSAT twice; once in June 2010 (143) and again in October 2011 (147). While my second score was an improvement, my grandfather had a heart attack the night before the second LSAT and therefore, I believe, had some bearing on my score. I have my recommendations and am working on my personal statement. My goal is to get into a teir two school (University of Denver, LSU, Santa Clara, etc.) at the least. I had pretty much decided to retake the LSAT in June 2012 and defer my applications for another year. However, now I am second guessing that decision in favor of applying for fall of 2012. I have a friend of mine who is a current law student who suggested I apply now and see what happens. My question for you is, is it ill advised to apply with my credentials as they are? If I am wait listed, will taking the June LSAT make a difference? Will it be too late?

    • Erin, It’s ok to try now and see what happens so long as your materials are stellar. That way when they look up this year’s application next year, they will see only good things about you (other than the LSAT history).

  304. Hi Ann, I am a 29 year old female non-traditional student. I was originally registered for Dec. LSAT, but my practice scores weren’t great so I postponed to February. Still my practice scores are mid 140’s-150(my highest so far). I have been studying since fall 2011 off and on a few hours a day, a few days a week. I have worked in the legal field for two years and financial industry for five years. I know it is late in the app cycle but I really want to get in this fall 2012. Am I dreaming or do I stand a chance with these tier 3 schools: Regent, Hamline, Willliam Mitchell. Thanks for your advice.

  305. Currently I am applying to schools, but have a cancelled LSAT on my record. On the school applications do I have to acknolwedge the cancelled score in the “Standardized Test” section, or do I just report the score that I have registered? There does not seem space to be able to note the cancellation.

  306. Hopeful Rutgers Law Student on said:

    what do you think are my chances of getting into Rutgers Law, completed undergrad in 2009 and was in an accelerated masters program that allowed me to take grad classes while in undergrad and completed my MBA in 2010. I took the lsat and got a 139 I only studied for one week, both under grad and grad GPA is 3.5, I am 25 and an African American female

  307. Hello Ms. Levine,

    I’m Graduating from Colgate this spring with (at the moment) a 2.75 GPA. I am scheduled to take the LSAT in February. But I have yet to begin studying and have not been known as the greatest multiple choice test taker. I’m still a little unsure of whether or not law school is right for me, and I am extremely nervous that I will not be able to get in anywhere due to my low GPA. Should I still take the LSAT in February and apply to law schools or take a year off in-between college and law school?
    Thank you, in advance, for your time and help!

    • Caden, if you haven’t started studying then please don’t take the LSAT. Finish this year and concentrate on your grades. Take the LSAT in June or October. And when you are approaching the LSAT, don’t worry about your grades. Study for your LSAT knowing it’s all that much more important because of your grades – see the LSAT as your chance to prove yourself. It’s all about mindset.

  308. Victoria on said:

    Hello Ann,
    Thank you for all your helpful advise. i have a question: i took the december 2011 test and received 143. i graduated from UCLA with 3.59 GPA and have lots of extracurricular. because i was so unhappy with my lsat score, i decided to not apply this year, take the June 2012 test and apply next year. i am planning on studying as hard as i can (i didnt study the first time i took the lsat – i know, very stupid of me). my plan is to score anywhere between 165 to 175. Say i get 168 and have a 3.59 GPA, do you think i would make it to schools like UCLA or USC? would my first low lsat score affect my admission?

  309. Victoria Santos on said:

    Hello Ann,
    Thank you for all your helpful advise. i have a question: i took the december 2011 test and received 143. i graduated from UCLA with 3.59 GPA and have lots of extracurricular. because i was so unhappy with my lsat score, i decided to not apply this year, take the June 2012 test and apply next year. i am planning on studying as hard as i can (i didnt study the first time i took the lsat – i know, very stupid of me). my plan is to score anywhere between 165 to 175. Say i get 168 and have a 3.59 GPA, do you think i would make it to schools like UCLA or USC? would my first low lsat score affect my admission?

    • Victoria Santos,
      If you can bring your score up into that range, the 143 shouldn’t hold you back. You’ll explain that you made an error in judgment by taking the test without preparation. Waiting until next year is the right decision.

  310. Hi Ann- First of all, I love your blog. I am a non-traditional law applicant. I took a break from school to open my own business in 1994 and have been self employed ever since. I wanted to complete my education but couldn’t go to back to a campus environment because of the demands of my job. So I enrolled in University of Phoenix but dropped back out after a year because my business was so demanding. Then, this year I decided I wanted to completely new direction in my life: practice law. I sold my business, completed my Bachelors at UofP with a 3.3 GPA, enrolled in an LSAT prep class, took the LSAT twice and scored 140 both times!!!! I am so disappointed and frustrated because I felt I understood the test taking strategies. I have a strong personal statement, and 2 equally strong LORs with a good work history. I really want to go to ASU but with my low scores, sporadic online education, GPA and my age…..I’m losing my confidence to apply at all and questioning whether I can even get accepted to a 3T local ABA approved school. Is 140 for an LSAT score just too low to apply anywhere? Would I best served to take the test again and apply for 2013 enrollment, or take my chances at the 3T school this year and if accepted transfer to ASU after the first year? I have to stay in PHX to go to law school due to family obligations and I just want to keep moving forward towards obtaining my JD.

  311. Thanks for your recommendation and quick response. I have a meeting tomorrow with an admissions counselor at Phoenix School of Law and will more than likely pass on applying to ASU. If and only IF I am accepted to PSL and I work my tail off in the first year to be in in the top of my class, what do you realistically think my chances are of transferring to ASU 2L? I know I have the passion and determination to do this. I’ve read such poor reviews about PSL and am concerned about how it may affect my future employment opportunities. Do they look at your 1L performance more heavily than your previous education and LSAT score at that point? If I am not accepted to PSL then I will study study study with a new approach from now until the next LSAT for June 2012. Practicing law is truly a dream for me.

  312. Ann,

    I had taken the LSAT Feb 2011 and received a 144, I retested in Oct 2011 and received a 149 and Dec. 2011 I cancelled. I am eligible for Feb2013. I was accepted to Touro Law with 5k scholarship, deferred at Pace (IDK if that is bad or not), rejected at Hofstra and waiting on NYLS+ CUNY Queens.

    I am strongly thinking about studying for a year with power score bibles and having a private tutor and retesting Feb 2013 to try and get into Fordham or a T-3 with scholarship. The problem is I can only take Feb 13. and that is so late in the cycle.

    I want to go to law school so bad right now but I feel I can do much better on the LSAT. At the time when I was studying I was taking 8 classes in undergrad, working FT as a paralegal and then I was rear ended by a drunk driver and injured. Now, I just have a FT job and my injuries have healed…I feel like paying sticker at a T-3 or T-4 school is financial suicide…but I really want to be in law school..I am so torn.
    I test at a 155-159 but test day anxiety eats me alive…I know I can do it but I am 25 and if the Feb2013 is too late in the cycle, I would be waiting 2 cycles..HELP PLEASE 🙂


  313. I am wondering which schools I should apply to… I have a rather low GPA of 2.5 but worked while in school and completed over 100 hours of community service/international NGO projects.
    My LSAT (first taken with NO prep was a 139) I raised to a 151 with some studying.
    I have been working at a law office for 3 years, represent clients at Medicaid hearings and do all sorts of pro-bono work ect…
    Which schools do I even have a shot at? I really want to get in somewhere and money is not really an issue.

  314. I’ve got a 158 LSAT and a 2.81 gpa with a double major in poly sci/ history and a minor in economics. GPA trended up for my last 3 years finishing with 2 deans lists. Looking to go to St. Johns, Hofstra, NYLS, Pace, Rutgers, in the NY NJ CT area, do I have a chance?

  315. Brittany on said:

    I have a 3.48 gpa out of a 4.3 scale from Queen’s University in Canada (about 80%) which is an A-. I want to apply to American schools but don’t know how do convert my gpa. I scored 150 on the lsat. Do I stand a chance? I have good letters of recommendation and 2 yrs experience at a law firm

  316. Ann,
    Good evening. I am currently a 27 yr old male in the Phoenix Area and graduated in the fall of 2008. I have spent the last few years working in finance and would like to attempt going to law school again. LSAC computed my GPA to 2.71 and my LSATS have been 143,142. Do you think i have a chance to get into law school? I was an NCAA All-American student athlete and have numerous awards and accomplishments to my name during my collegiate years. Do you think i have a chance? Would any schools in Arizona accept me? Please let me know at your earliest convenience. Thanks so much!




    • MID-30s:
      If you believe you need accommodations to perform on the test and you can’t afford them, it makes me think you have not spent money on a prep test and that attending law school would be a huge financial burden for you. Sometimes these are warning signs that law school could be more than you bargain for financially. I know that’s not what you asked me, but for others who identify with this statement in your comment, it might provide food for thought.
      Your major GPA is encouraging and we just need to see how you do on the actual LSAT to see how you might compete.

  318. Hello Ann-

    I am 27-year-old non-traditional law school applicant. I graduated undergrad in 2009 with a 3.34 GPA, originally thought I was going to attend law school immediately following undergrad. However, was not accepted, assuming because of my low LSAT scores, all three of them being in the low 140s (none of which I studied for). Realizing I was not going to attend to law school I started and sold a successful company and earned a MBA all between May 2009 and present day. The desire to attend law school is back so I have been studying over the past 6 months but with no assistance, if I can get my score up mid 150s as practice scores suggest do I stand a chance of getting in to a school? Would I better shooting for a T4 school and transferring? Will my past LSAT scores haunt me even though they are almost 2-3 years old respectively? Thank you very much, love your blog!

    • Eric,
      If you can get your LAST scores up to low to mid 150s, you will find a law school for you, even with the low scores on your record because you will explain that you took those tests without preparing. It’s too soon to tell you where you would get in – we don’t have an actual score yet and I don’t know what schools you are looking at.
      I’m so glad the blog is helpful. I hope you’ll keep reading!

  319. Viral Patel on said:

    Hello Ann,

    First and foremost – I love this blog. My Low GPA of 3.01 has been a main concern of mine as it seems like a hurdle that’s preventing me from getting into the law schools of my choice. My practice LSAT scores have givin me an average of 148-150. My undergraduate degree is from California State University Fullerton; it being a state college also makes me feel my application will not be as eye-catching as those applicants with undergraduate degrees from private universities. My major is psychology with a minor in criminal justice. I began my fall semseter there in Fall 2006 and finished with my degree on January 3, 2012. I have been interning at a law firm for four and a half years (since November 2007) and have also been working at Sears since October 2006 (not sure if that really makes a difference). It may be important to note that my grades have increased the last two years with LOR pertaining to the Dean’s list. My LOR include the attorney for whom I have been working for and two professors from Fullerton State. Is there any aspects (interning) that ABA approved colleges look at in particular over others (My low GPA). I know an increase of my LSAT score to 165+ would help…but will it dramatically help?

    • Hi Viral, I’m glad you like the blog. You didn’t tell me where you are trying to get into law school. If you look at the schools’ 25th percentile LSAT and GPA, it will show you the lower range that the school admits and you’ll be able to judge whether it’s feasible to get in.

  320. I own your book, and refer to it religiously. I am an african american female, born to nigerian immigrants. I have taken the lsat twice: I cancelled the first score and received a 145 on the second. I wrote a stirring personal statement (at least I think so)…but I know my lsat score will hold me back. I am trying to be realistic about my prospects, but I can’t shake the desire to attend syracuse or loyola chicago. I would appreciate you being blunt about my prospects. Also, do you have any suggestions as to what to do for the year spent while reapplying for those who do not get into law school?

    Thank you

    • Lori, Since I don’t know enough about you to answer the first question let me start with the second. And because I think you asked a great question, I’m going to put it here in CAPS:
      1. First, it’s not really a year. It’s really just 7 months. If you believe you could do more to prepare for the LSAT and increase your score, then sign up for the June test. Spend 4 months studying smartly. Take lots and lots of timed practice tests.
      2. Re-evaluate your schools list and make sure you applied to schools that do make exceptions for people with your LSAT score.
      3. Think about how to overcome your weaknesses. If you think law schools might be concerned about your writing, take a writing class. If you think your resume is not law-related enough, seek out a volunteer opportunity related to your area of interest.
      4. Look closely at your personal statement and resume. Does it really show your strengths? Is it really well written? Are you sharing the right story given your background and what law schools are looking for?
      5. Plan to apply in October. Set yourself up for early admission.
      6. Attend law school recruiting events/Forums and meet face to face with law school representatives.
      This should get you started!

  321. Hi Ann,

    I have been reading your blog throughout my application process and its been quite useful thus far however, as I continue to wait for my applications to be processed I continue to doubt my chances of getting into law school. I am a double major in bio medical and electrical engineering with a 3.72 GPA . My October LSAT was 156. I know law school isn’t really an engineer’s game so I am really worried about getting into a decent school that would be worthwhile for me to attend. I know 156 isn’t really a stellar score and I am worried that my undergraduate major being one that focuses so little on pre-law fundamentals my hurt my chances. My personal statement focused on diversity and my reasons for applying to law school rather than continue with engineering. What do you think my odds are of getting into a school with a good Int Prop program? Also do law schools take your majors into consideration at all when weighing your GPA? Another concern I have is that my university has a grading system where A+’s are not awarded even if the percentage would equate to an A+. As a result my GPA reports only A’s even if there were classes where my grade would have been an A+. Is there anyway to add a note to the credit assembly report that would account for this? Thanks for the help!

    • Hi Nish, thanks for writing.
      I obviously don’t know where you applied and can’t give you specific feedback about your chances of admission without seeing your materials. However, your grades are great with a difficult major so wait and see what happens; if you aren’t happy with your results then you can try again next year.
      Don’t worry about As versus A+ grades – your GPA is excellent.

  322. Hi Ann,

    I have a 150 and a 3.1 GPA. I was accepted to Touro but was deferred at Pace Law School for their accelerated cycle and my application was pushed to the fall cycle. I have already sent in a LOCI but was wondering what you thought my chances would be for Pace?

    I would retake the LSAT but I have taken it 3 times..I am eligible next Feb. I have applications into NYLS and CUNY Queens but I dont think my chances are great…I rather not attend Touro because I hear so many bad things…

    Any thoughts?

    Thank you,

  323. Anonymous on said:

    Hi Ann,
    I have a GPA of 3.49 and have taken the LSAT twice and the first time I recieved a low score of 139 and the second time I recieved a score of 138. I spent a lot of money on taking preparatory courses and I relied on other ways to do better on the LSAT. It seems as if it overshdows my ability to do well. I feel really stupid and dumb for not being able to do well. I have never in my life had to face such a situation, academically. I applied to 11 law schools and just heard back from the first one (The University of Akron School of Law) today and I was rejected. I really want to attend Cleveland-Marshall College of Law. What do you think are my chances of getting in? I am a minority , I migrated from Pakistan. Any advice will be helpfull and I will greatly appreciate it. I thank you for your help!!!

  324. Michael on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I was denied at Pace yesterday. It was a tough day…I just don’t know if I should take another year when I will only be eligible for February 2013. I have noticed that you don’t believe Feb. is a good time to take the LSAT. I am going to be 26 and I am so torn. I want to attend law school and Touro is in NY but…I don’t want to attend a law school that isn’t respected. I have visited and thought it was beautiful…the courthouse could not be any closer… and I feel it would be good for my interests in criminal law. Could you give me your opinion? Do you think it’s worth it to wait until next Feb. or just attend and work my butt off?. I mean is Pace that much better? It’s not like I am able to attend Fordham or Cardozo..I would love to hear your opinion.


  325. Hi Michael,
    You first need to wait to hear from all schools but you do need to prepare yourself for bad news with your LSAT score history. You’ll have to find a way to do better on the test – I can talk with you about how you studied/what programs you used and make suggestions. It’s not all about numbers, but you at least need a score in the 140s to put you in the running so they can seriously consider all of the strong parts of your application.
    Also, I wasn’t clear about whether you’d already gotten into Touro….

  326. Michael on said:

    I have been accepted to Touro with a 2500.00 scholarship. My LSAT score is a 149. I have taken the lsat 3 times, one time when I was not ready, a cancellation and a 149. The next time I would be allowed to take it is 2/13. I don’t know if I should attend Touro or wait to retest next Feb. The problem is that I don’t want to wait 2 more cycles but since the next time I can take is Feb, it may be too late for next cycle…I want to practice criminal law and Touro doesn’t seem bad because of the close proximity of the court house but I don’t want to attend a school that isn’t respected…I don’t know whether I should wait or just attend.


  327. Anonymous on said:

    Hi Ann,
    I have a GPA of 3.49 and have taken the LSAT twice and the first time I recieved a low score of 139 and the second time I recieved a score of 138. I spent a lot of money on taking preparatory courses and I relied on other ways to do better on the LSAT. It seems as if it overshdows my ability to do well. I feel really stupid and dumb for not being able to do well. I have never in my life had to face such a situation, academically. I applied to 11 law schools and just heard back from the first one (The University of Akron School of Law) today and I was rejected. I really want to attend Cleveland-Marshall College of Law. What do you think are my chances of getting in? I am a minority , I migrated from Pakistan. Any advice will be helpful and I will greatly appreciate it. I thank you for your help!!!

  328. Hi Ann,

    This is the second year I’ve applied to law school. Last year I applied to Suffolk, New England, Western New England, Roger Williams, and UMass Law. I was accepted into UMass Law, waitlisted at Roger WIlliams and denied at the three other schools. My GPA is 2.72 and my LSAT was 146. This year I’ve reapplied to all the same schools, but I’ve applied for the part time programs at the ones I got denied from. I’m also meeting with the admissions counselors from New England and Roger WIlliams to improve my standings. Is there anything else I could do to increase my chances at acceptance?

  329. Brad on said:

    Tough one here – I graduated with a 3.99 cummulative, but after LSAC got ahold of it it was reduced to a 3.24. I was attending school full time while deploying and had to late drop a few classes (counted as Fs rather than withdrawals). LSAC averaged those Fs with the same class final grade (A) rather than replacing the Fs with As – thereby resulting in a sadly deficient GPA (to my standards anyway). My LSAT score is low (153) as well. The point of my inquiry though is that I’ve already applied to a host of schools because of deadlines (prior to my transcript summary and LSAT score publishing), and am wondering what the odds are that I’ll have to try and squeeze in some tier 3 and 4 schools before their deadlines expire. All of the schools I have applied for are in the top 50. I’m statistically a privileged class being white middle class Christian male, but I have 18 years of military including 5 deployments and am a combat disabled veteran. Will any of that get me past the computer scrub of the LSAT/GPA calculation?

    • Brad, it’s not a “scrub” – this is how they do it. But you need to submit an addendum pointing this out to law schools. That’s absolutely essential. Your experience counts for a lot. Did you think you could score higher on the LSAT or is this in the range of what you were expecting?

  330. Brad on said:

    sadly, I am unfamiliar with failing to put up a top 10% score… I teach post-graduates the type of logic that is on the LSAT. I should have preformed better. The section requiring four and a half million graphs really got ahead of me despite my best efforts to practice. On the up side – my writing sample is top notch (modesty?) – for what that’s worth.

    App instructions say that they discourage addenda after the application has been submitted, but they provide an email address for submission. Should I go back in and shoot out additionals to those schools?

  331. David B. on said:

    Hi Ann,

    I took the LSAT 2 times, scoring a 146, and 147 on the last February exam. My college GPA was a 2.59, as a transfer student, and I had to overcome several obstacles to obtain my degree.

    I live in the NY metro area. Judging from my grades, work experience, and LSAT scores, which schools do I honestly have a shot of getting into? I’m also willing to move out of state to attend school if it will increase my chances of getting into one. Many thanks.


  332. Ann Levine: can I ask why law schools admit people with arrest records?

    I had a good LSAT score, a good undergraduate GPA, and no criminal record, but got rejected at every law school I applied to, because I had previously failed out as a 1L several years earlier. How insulting that a convicted felon has a better chance of gaining admission to law school, than I do. Perhaps instead of failing my legal research class, I should have racked up a few DWIs or drug arrests.

    Also, you know very well (as I do) that someone with an arrest record may not be able to sit for the bar exam. Do you really think its okay for a law school to take their money for three years?

    I know you won’t print my comments, but I am sending them regardless.

    • Peg,
      None of the people I’ve encouraged to attend law school have been convicted felons, so I’m not sure where your post fits in. Some people have arrest records but no convictions, and some people with arrest records have extenuating circumstances, have worked their way through school and excelled in school and on the LSAT. No “bonus points” are given to people because they’ve been arrested – no one with an arrest record who is unable to be admitted to the bar is taking your seat in a law school class. I think the focus should be inward instead of outward.

  333. Ann,
    I have applied to a number of schools and done a great deal of research. The looming question that is plaguing me revolves around employability. Each law school claims high employment rates after graduation and I can appreciate the value of that statistic, but even prestigious schools are reporting average graduate salaries starting roughly between 60-80k with some high salaries ranging in the low 100ks. I’m sure you’ve heard this question before, but “is law school right for me?” I make roughly 130k at the moment and was expecting to improve my condition by going to law school. The prospect of picking up 200k in debt and having to cut my annual salary in half afterwards is a tough pill to swallow. Do law firms or agencies you have run into regularly focus on law school or do some also take into account that (I for example) some applicant might come to the table after graduation with nearly 20 years of experience (albeit not legal)? For clarification, my experience is primarily military.

    Thanks for any input.

  334. Brad, this is absolutely the right thing for you to be considering right now. Especially if you are already in your thirties or forties, because you might not have time to wait 5-6 years before you are making 6-figures again or to wait until you make partner at someone else’s firm, and you also might be accomplished enough in your professional life already that you aren’t in the mood to start from the bottom again.
    Your 20 years of experience is helpful to employers in some ways (maturity, focus, can-do attitude) but it might also be a drawback because employers will not see you as a lackey ready to do grunt work, and that may be what they really need.

  335. Ann,
    The catch is that my experience and pay is based on almost 20 years of war fighting. It is likely that I will be unemployed, and unemployable within the next couple of years. I am hedging my bets on finding another career path – even if I have to start over. The alternative is to try and compete with the 400,000 war fighters that will quickly be vying for the 300 jobs remaining after we close our current conflicts. Rock and a hard place really.


  336. I am a black female who scored a 147 on my first LSAT in Feb. My junior college GPA is 3.03 and I graduated UT Tyler Magna Cum Laude with a 3.78. Overall my GPA is a 3.36 and I plan to attend SMU in the fall. Tell me what you think of my chances. Also VP of prelaw society and a member of Alpha Chi and Sigma Alpha Pi.

  337. kyle phan on said:

    I am an average 2.9 GPA student with a LSAT of 145. I applied to more than 10 schools and got acceptance to few of T4 law schools. I plan to retake my LSAT for better schools.
    Please tell me would that be a matter to retake or not because those law schools accept me for this coming Fall2012 in which about 4 more months; and my upcoming LSAT is in June.
    Thank you.

  338. Caitlin on said:


    As of right now I am sitting with an LSAT score of 153, my undergrad GPA is a 3.5 at my current university, but I worry earlier university GPA will bring that down. I have no real outstanding academic achievements. I am greatly worried about my law school prospects, any advice?

    Thank you

    • Caitlin, if you haven’t yet read The Law School Admission Game you may want to start there. You may also want to consider retaking the LSAT if you think you would be able to improve. It all comes down to where you hope to go to law school and the kind of application you put together. It takes effort but it pays off.

  339. Eduardo on said:

    I am a non-traditional URM, 39 years old applicant, English is not my first language. I came to the United States from South America when I was 27 years old. I have a law degree from my country, but it is considered as an undergraduate degree in the USA. I did all the transcripts process and per LSAC I hold a Bachelor of Law.
    Due to political and violence issues I left my country. I was an illegal alien for several years until I obtained legal status. I did all kind of jobs such as construction, meat packer, production, etc. I went to a community college to take ESL courses, I also completed some other courses including English Composition I and II.
    I have four years of experience working in a small law firm as a paralegal and interpreter, and also I hold a Realtor License.
    I took the LSAT twice, I cancelled it the first time and scored 142 the second time.
    I have applied to eight Law Schools this year considering my numbers: Creighton University, Washburn, Southern Texas, Barry, Faulkner, North Dakota, Valparaiso and St Thomas (Miami).
    I have received denied letters from the first three Law Schools. It is mid June, and the other five schools are still reviewing my applications since March. Do I still have chances to be admitted at this point in the process? Based on your experience. What do you think they are waiting for to make a final decision? Am I the kind of applicant would you work with in case I have to re-apply next year?
    Thank you very much.

    • Eduardo,
      You need to wait to hear from the schools – you applied very late in the cycle. If you are not admitted to any of the schools then contact us for a consultation so we can help you to make better choices during your application process next year.

  340. Angel on said:

    So I’ve taken the LSAT twice so far and have only managed to get a 144 I’m very upset cause the two schools I attend for undergrad I have a 3.5 and a 3.7 and will hopefully be graduating from the University of Tulsa with a 3.5 next may do I have any hope of getting into a decent law school? I have numerous extracurriculars held positions in the Greek system and am a double major and even interned with an entertainment lawyer last summer.
    I’m very upset with my lsat score and am wondering what to do becasue I’m in school on mostly scholarships right now and was hoping for scholarship help for law school too.
    Any advice you might have would be greatlly appreciated.

  341. Vincenzo on said:

    Hi Anne,

    I’ve taken the LSAT twice so far, got a 144 at first because i didn’t study, and got a 150 only studying for less than a month. I have a double major from UC Berkeley in Legal Studies and Political Science, which LSAC calculated to a 3.21.

    I plan on taking the lsat one more time studying for 3 months in October, I really want to go to Pepperdine, or LMU in California.

    What should I do or shoot for?

    • Vincenzo,
      Sounds like you’ve made mistakes in judgment about your LSAT prep (or lack thereof) the last two times so be sure to set yourself up for success this time. I am hosting a Blog Talk Radio podcast with 3 LSAT tutors a week from today so please tune in, and I welcome questions via the live chatroom. Here is the link to the info: “Strategies for Taking the LSAT…Again”

  342. I have just gotten my score back which was really low for me: 153. (I was sick on the day of the test, but couldn’t bring myself to cancel after two months of studying). I have a 3.9 GPA and a full tuition merit scholarship from a liberal arts institution in Kentucky, and I was extremely involved in college with many leadership positions. Also, my recommendations should be really good. The schools I would like to get in are 1. University of Kentucky 2. University of Cinicinatti 3. University of Lousiville. Is there any chance with the score I have now? I plan to retake the LSAT in October anyway, but I appreciate some advice. Thanks!!!

  343. I just received my LSAT score which was very low for me: 153 (I was sick on the day of the test, but couldn’t bring myself to cancel after two months of studying). I have a 3.9 GPA from a liberal arts institution in Kentucky where I also had a full merit scholarship. I was very involved in college, had many leadership roles, and I will have three excellent recommendations. Right now I can’t help but feel sick about my score. I am definitely retaking the LSAT in October, but I wanted some advice on my chances for my top choice law schools: 1. University of Kentucky 2. University of Cincinatti 3. Universtiy of Louisville. Thank you for creating this blog. I feel better already by just typing all of this out!

    • Sam, I know you feel sick today but you’re not far off from where you need to be for these schools. You’re going to be absolutely fine! Retake the LSAT. Even just improving a few points puts you in a far better place for these schools. So happy the blog is helpful! Check out my recent YouTube video on LSAT Score Shock!

  344. MC Dean on said:

    I recently found this site and have referred to it religiously. However, I’m left fairly confused on my situation. I’m a 34 yr old white male with a Bachelor’s Degree in Criminal Justice (3.14 GPA), Dean’s and President’s List, with 8+ years in law enforcement, 4 as a Detective. I have strong letters of recommendation and even moved to work at the University I intend to attend law school with. As most of us did, I got my LSAT score recently: 136. I stayed pretty consistent and took a prep course. I did nothing but study. I’m readying to apply to a few schools (especially the one I work for) just to see what would happen. If nothing else, I’ll take LSAT’s in October, but I’ve had enough ineffective attorneys on my cases to feel like I shouldn’t be held back because of an LSAT score. I’ve written a fairly strong personal statement and have letters of commendation and awards. I’d like to think that counts for something. I’m not sure if it will hurt anything to apply now though. Especially since I work there?

    • MC Dean,
      So happy the site has been helpful to you.
      I’m sorry to tell you, but you will not get into law school with a 136 no matter how strong everything else is. I’m not saying that to depress you or to make you angry, but just to motivate you. If the course didn’t help, I’m happy to recommend a tutor.
      I’m not sure what you mean by “I work there” – that last comment. But you are not ready to apply to law school. The LSAT isn’t everything, but it needs to show you can play ball and pass the bar, and a 136 doesn’t demonstrate that. Sorry to be the one giving you disappointing news….

  345. Vincenzo on said:

    Hi Anne,

    I’ve taken the LSAT twice so far, got a 144 at first because i didn’t study, and got a 150 only studying for less than a month. I have a double major from UC Berkeley in Legal Studies and Political Science, which LSAC calculated to a 3.21.

    I plan on taking the lsat one more time studying for 3 months in October, I really want to go to Pepperdine, or LMU in California.

    What should I do or shoot for?

  346. Ann,
    I am a 38 year old black male. I am an Active Duty officer in the U.S. Air Force. I have and undergrad GPA of 3.1 and a Graduate (MPA) GPA of 3.4. I have not taken the LSAT. I will retire (20 years) from the military in Aug 2014. I am married and have 2 grown children and an 8 year old step son. Assuming a low LSAT, what are my chances of getting into a school? Where should I start? When should I take my first LSAT? Will my resume as a retired military officer help in the selection process?

  347. Hi, Im a 24 year old latina immigrant, 147 LSAT and 3.0 GPA- I have a great resume- from working at a firm for 5 years to founding a nonprofit in my community; working for labor unions and independent media journalist. Is there i change i could get in Brooklyn Law or Cardozo?

    • Ann Levine on said:

      I don’t provide feedback about chances of admission on the blog format (or I’d never get to sleep!). But you need to consider that the 25th percentile LSAT scores and GPAs for these schools are very far above yours, and also apply to some safety schools.

  348. Ann,
    I’m a 23 year old white male with a 153 LSAT score and a 3.52 UGPA. I’ve already sent my applications out for Nebraska, New Mexico, South Dakota, Creighton and Drake law schools but I was hoping you could give me some advice on whether I should add any last minute safety schools.

    Nebraska is what I’m shooting for but, given my LSAT score, I’d be happy with just about anything.

    Also, if it turns out I’m rejected from all five, I’m open to taking the LSAT either this February or June 2013.

    • Ann Levine on said:

      Hi Matt,
      I can’t give feedback about chances for admission within the confines of the blog format, but it does look like you chose reasonable schools based on your numbers.

  349. Ann,
    I am a 34 year-old immigrant from South America. I have been living in this country for ten years. I am a native spanish speaker. My UGPA is 3.90 from Broward College in FL. My LSAT score is 150 . I have over ten years work experience in the aviation field as a flight instructor (pilot),and I currently teach aviation maintenance courses in a 4-year public institution. I was the first female supervisor in my former company. I have a great resume and letters of recommendation. What are my chances of getting into FIU or Nova?

  350. Hi Ann. As you can tell by all the other comments, it is frustrating receiving a low LSAT score especially when law schools depend so heavily on them. I just took the December 2012 test and am awaiting my results. I have a UGPA of 3.79 from Michigan State. I was immediately employed after graduating in May 2012 in a corporate law dpeartment of an automotive company. I took a prep course and studied for 5 months for the LSAT. I have never been able to score above a 146 on the practice tests. I scored low on my ACT as well but I was able to get into MSU and graduate with honors. I have 2 strong letters of rec and legal experience in the workplace. I would like to attend schools in the top 100, ASU, Loyola Chicago and U of Arizona, to name a few. If my LSAT score is in the mid 140s do you think I have a chance at any of the 3 schools? Thanks!

    • Ann Levine on said:

      Hi Jana,
      I do understand your frustration. I can’t tell you your chances of admission via the blog format, but hang in there and let’s hope for the best on the December LSAT.

  351. Hi Ann:

    Thanks for your blog. I’ve lots of useful information!

    I graduated from Roosevelt University with honors, and my cumulative GPA is 3.58 (GPA at Roosevelt 4.0). I took the October LSAT and scored a 136 and afterwards I took a prep course, scoring in the 145 range on diagnostics. I applied to JMLS for the Spring semester, but have not heard from them. What are my changes of getting into JMLS in Chicago based on my diagnostic scores.

    I have strong letters of recommendations, including one from an attorney I’ve worked for 3+ years. Also, I have a paralegal certificate.

    Or would you recommend applying to more than one school, in case I get rejected.

    I look forward to your advice.

    • Ann Levine on said:

      Hi Marg,
      If you are waiting for a December score, you don’t want schools to make a decision based on your 136. You are not going to get into law school with a 136. You want them to wait for your (hopefully higher) score.

  352. Holly Hopeful on said:

    Hi Ann!

    I am a junior at a public University and took the december 2012 LSAT. I had to take it early because I will be studying abroad in the spring. I scored a 155. I have a 4.0 GPA and am hoping to go to a public university. I won’t be back until June, so the June LSAT is out of the question. Should I retake? I took a Kaplan course and studied my butt off… and my 155 is higher than my practice tests. I don’t think I could study as hard for the October test because of a harder course load/working on applications. I am hoping to send in my applications in October, as early as I can. Do you think I should try and retake for a higher score?